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Who says we should abandon the statistics? But as I as said, one can't explain the why by statistics, and that's what you're actually doing. Did you so far refer to any qualitative studies about interracial marriages? No, you keep coming back to statistics. You basically use positivist approach to draw an interpretivist argument, and hence Greenmount nailed it in the posting below. Even if one refers to any qualitative studies, one really needs to really consider the contexts, limitation, assumptions of the study. In sum, you can use whatever statistics to justify your racist argument, but that doesn't mean your entire argument valid.
FuriousRose I've acknowledged the limitations of these statistics as indeed statistics by their very nature have limitations. However their limitations do not prevent them from being a useful yardstick to look at the big picture. I also rely on my observations and my experiences even if they are limited to me.
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I don't like however relying on so called experts as I value myself enough to draw my own conclusions.
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One thing's for sure... Whoever is gonna go out with OfficeGirl next is gonna get it well and proper!
Why did your post make me think of the first episode of Little Britain - when, after a conversation with Dafydd, the old lady turns to the vicar.

"If I have said it once vicar, I have said it a hundred times. What that boy needs is a good hard cock rammed right up his arse!"
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Why did your post make me think of the first episode of Little Britain - when, after a conversation with Dafydd, the old lady turns to the vicar.

"If I have said it once vicar, I have said it a hundred times. What that boy needs is a good hard cock rammed right up his arse!"
You're so crude.
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Is this thread in the running for thread of the year? Is it the only one running?

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You're quite right here greenmount. Every man needs to make this decision for himself weighing up both pros and cons of any relationship. There is no rational reason why you should marry the same ethnicity as your mother or your sister other than this is traditionally what has been done throughout most of peacetime history and what historically evolved societies did such as in India. However marrying your equal does ensure that there are no leftover women at the top of society or leftover men at the bottom of society. This is what happens when men marry down and women marry up. And that's why one could say that the caste system is in a sense a feminist system.
Office girl, we live in a globalised world now. And while there still might be very traditionalist enclaves and communities around the globe, there's also the other half of the coin that this globalisation has helped a lot with dishing out many differences between people. I, for instance, see no significant difference now between a teenager from my country and one from America - neither in the way they dress, talk, think or about their hobbies.
I've noticed similar things in other cultures too. Whether it's good or bad, who knows.

But we really can't think anymore in these terms - marrying your "equal", marrying "down" or "up". Unless you became very conservative yourself and want to restore the 19th century norms of conduct.

And, if you think someone is marrying "up" or "down" just because they marry into another culture...well, you know how that is called.
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This kinda makes sense on a very simple, distopian, fundamental level. But how are you defining equals and marrying up and down?

I have yet to find a partner at my level!
Based on reason:-
- who are their parents
- how much land do they have (ie wealth)
- how culturally similar are they

Based on romance:-
- one can't stop thinking of a lover
- one is sexually obsessed with a lover
- one thinks they are amazing (sincerity, honesty, wit, humour, charisma, intellect)
- one longs to talk to them all the time

Based on psychology:-
- how are they mad
- how can one raise children with them
- how can one develop together
- how can one remain friends

All of the above are in my view relevant.

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Ironically, OG complains about the elitist and chauvanistic mindset of old traditionalist Asian men, most of whom are like 80 years old by now, yet is suggesting Westerners do the same.

Methinks she's more Asian in that sense than she is admitting to herself.
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Office girl, we live in a globalised world now. And while there still might be very traditionalist enclaves and communities around the globe, there's also the other half of the coin that this globalisation has helped a lot with dishing out many differences between people. I, for instance, see no significant difference now between a teenager from my country and one from America - neither in the way they dress, talk, think or about their hobbies.
I've noticed similar things in other cultures too. Whether it's good or bad, who knows.

But we really can't think anymore in these terms - marrying your "equal", marrying "down" or "up". Unless you became very conservative yourself and want to restore the 19th century norms of conduct.

And, if you think someone is marrying "up" or "down" just because they marry into another culture...well, you know how that is called.
Globalization exists in the west, among expats and among the elite. There is still a lot of difference in the world. And outside of the west a woman marries into a man's culture.
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Ironically, OG complains about the elitist and chauvanistic mindset of old traditionalist Asian men, most of whom are like 80 years old by now, yet is suggesting Westerners do the same.

Methinks she's more Asian in that sense than she is admitting to herself.
I actually agree with you on this. I have adopted a more Asian mindset. Yes you're right.
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All of the above are in my view relevant.
Oughh, you'll be waiting decades to find the right match then. Goog luck though!

Btw, how much land do you have?
I do own something but I'm a girl.
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I actually agree with you on this. I have adopted a more Asian mindset. Yes you're right.
Of all the things you could have picked up while you were there; kung-fu, wu-shu, flower arranging, serving tea, cooking kick ass chinese dishes, etc.; why THAT mindset of all things? Dust it off before you arrive in Zuerich please.
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Based on reason:-
- who are their parents
- how much land do they have (ie wealth)
- how culturally similar are they

Based on romance:-
- one can't stop thinking of a lover
- one is sexually obsessed with a lover
- one thinks they are amazing (sincerity, honesty, wit, humour, charisma, intellect)
- one longs to talk to them all the time

Based on psychology:-
- how are they mad
- how can one raise children with them
- how can one develop together
- how can one remain friends

All of the above are in my view relevant.
These are all compatibility metrics (other than maybe the 2nd and 1st one). Standard for any relationship but really have nothing to do with the equality of matching up or down.
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FuriousRose I've acknowledged the limitations of these statistics as indeed statistics by their very nature have limitations. However their limitations do not prevent them from being a useful yardstick to look at the big picture. I also rely on my observations and my experiences even if they are limited to me.
Statistically, if you are a Western Woman in Singapore then you need to start only 1 thread to travel the course from 'Newbie' to 'Member' in EF.
However my observation is that this is the only thread where you contribute despite scores of interesting threads opened everyday

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Of all the things you could have picked up while you were there; kung-fu, wu-shu, flower arranging, serving tea, cooking kick ass chinese dishes, etc.; why THAT mindset of all things? Dust it off before you arrive in Zuerich please.
I think I've already spoken about this at length. By the way no locals know how to serve tea or arrange flowers. Those courses are taken by expats aspiring to enter Exoticstan.
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Statistically, if you are a Western Woman in Singapore then you need to start only 1 thread to travel the course from 'Newbie' to 'Member' in EF.
However my observation is that this is the only thread where you contribute despite scores of interesting threads opened everyday

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I thought you told me you were Russian. Przepraszam!
Piper is Bi. OP? Who cares? Where have you been?
Where have I been??? Wait, let me think... I've been here all this time.

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These are all compatibility metrics (other than maybe the 2nd and 1st one). Standard for any relationship but really have nothing to do with the equality of matching up or down.
Well in my view they are all relevant and we shouldn't ignore age old reason or practices. Globalization will not last forever. The Roman Empire came to an end as will the west and I fear it's too late at least for Europe.
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Please explain...
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