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Re: London vs Zurich

Having lived 4 years in both London and Zurich, maybe my experience will be helpful. Possibly not though as I am a man. Anyway, here goes:

Career - Many more job opportunities in London.

Quality of life - Zurich. Safe, clean, nature, ...

Making close friends - London. Made few English friends, loads of foreign friends, from literally all over the world.

Dating (as a man though) - London by far is a better scene.

Things to do - London but Zurich isn't so bad. Depends on what you want to do.

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P.S.: I am sorry to hear about your bad experience with Indian extended families. I am going through the same and I even look Indian, it's terrible!! Hope you find someone who deserves you
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...@ FuriousRose and Clumsy Mama - of course it's not about skin colour but you need to be physically attracted to someone to have a relationship and cultural differences have a disproportionately bigger impact on women rather than men!! Many Asian societies are rigid, hierarchical and patriarchal (apart from Singapore and Hong Kong) - another reason so many Asian women want to flee!!
Geez, I wonder how you could put cultural differences and that racial judgement on Asian societies in the same sentence...
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Old 04.11.2014, 17:22
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Geez, I wonder how you could put cultural differences and that racial judgement on Asian societies in the same sentence...
I see different sentences.....
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@ Treverus - you're a Caucasian man, I'm a Caucasian woman. Did you take a look at the marriage stats? Do you still think that we're all equally attracted to each other?

@ FuriousRose and Clumsy Mama - of course it's not about skin colour but you need to be physically attracted to someone to have a relationship and cultural differences have a disproportionately bigger impact on women rather than men!! Many Asian societies are rigid, hierarchical and patriarchal (apart from Singapore and Hong Kong) - another reason so many Asian women want to flee!!
You have to make up your mind. Being physically attracted to someone has nothing to do with cultural differences, and being the first thing you notice in a person you start dating based on this aspect and only after getting to know each other better you notice the rest of the package such as cultural differences.
So you're basically not attracted to Asian men, that's fine, but maybe some Asian women are attracted to Caucasian males so that should be fine too, there's plenty of them you know....unless you want a certain type, the "Caucasian" expat in Singapore type. That probably is a rarer commodity.
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Re: London vs Zurich

@ FuriousRose - it's the way it is I'm afraid. As a westerner in Asia, I cannot emigrate to a developed Asian country and become a Taiwanese, a South Korean, a Japanese or even a Thai or Philippino (reflected in the immigration and nationality laws) And if I do I will only achieve limited acceptance if I'm a Caucasian man (physical and cultural attraction and/or $$$$) but forget it if you're a Caucasian woman. By the way there's a very interesting history book on this subject: "The East, the West and sex, a History." You can get it on amazon - it basically reflects my observations on dating here in Asia.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/037571...&robot_redir=1

There are cultural and societal differences - cultural differences are distinct from attraction. Attraction is physical (can only control weight and grooming) and cultural (value system of your upbringing and society).
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Attraction is physical (can only control weight and grooming) and cultural (value system of your upbringing and society).
bollocks. attraction goes beyond the mere physical.

back to Z v L. remember that singapore is just the asian switzerland
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Yes the influence of the family on the Indian side (especially if they are Hindu) comes as a stumbling block for such partnerships.
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@ Treverus - have you ever lived in Asia? Before you start claiming bigotry, I consider myself to be way more open minded than most people; I moved to Singapore to be with my Indian boyfriend whose family rejected me. I then funnily enough found myself stuck in the middle of this weird dating scene where as accurately depicted in the real Singapore, many many (not all) Asian women are chasing Caucasian men. After dating Indian men I realized that the intercultural (including sometimes unequal gender roles) is just too big a bridge to cross. And by the way most Chinese families and men are the same as Indians and consider Caucasian women too vociferous and opinionated to make a decent wife. Date a Caucasian girl (especially Indian men) but marry an Asisn girl - that's the way it is here. Western society is more free and open hence why Indian, South Korean, Japanese women emigrate to the west because their societies have a cut off point when they are considered too old to get married. So they go to the west to meet nice brainwashed liberal people like you who are blind to cultural differences.
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Yes the influence of the family on the Indian side (especially if they are Hindu) comes as a stumbling block for such partnerships.
That's why you should date Mauritians No such family dramas but same looks
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Re: London vs Zurich

I think OfficeGirl does have a point. I can't comment specifically on Asia, Asian girls, their priorities, whatever - I never lived there and my views would be biased. But culture has an influence on pretty much everything we do in our lives, that is true for every culture. I don't think it's all that wrong to claim that, aside from physical appearance, culture is what attracts us, albeit indirectly in the ways culture is displayed. Eventually, this is a personal taste, just as physical appearance is, there's no right or wrong.

But if she claims that for HER, Asian men are not an option, because she finds them neither physically attractive nor thinks hers and their culture would fit enough for a relationship to work, then what is wrong with that? It's not like she's saying it can never work, it's just that for her it doesn't, didn't or wouldn't.
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I expressed myself badly...My point was that attraction is both physical and cultural (culture influences things like character, sense of humour, etc..)
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... but most Europeans are very egalitarian and they go to Asia and Asians treat Caucasians as if they Asians are inferior. I don't get it; when I first arrived here a shop assistant would often serve the Caucasians first even if they weren't first in the queue ]...
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Yes, it is unfortunately the inferiority complex of some Asians. Due to the colonial background of the countries, many still think highly on the western powers. A Japanese would prefer things made in Japan, but it is not the case in many developing countries or even developed country like Singapore. Maybe things will change one day when the region becomes even richer than say Europe or US....

There are two parts here you should not confuse. There is a psychological self-inflicted racism that I see demonstrated even by white expats here in Switzerland. When things don't go their way as expected, they automatically assume it is because they are not Swiss. They automatically assume they understand how they are perceived by the Swiss, and unwittingly play their supposed role. This is self-inflicted racism on the receiving end.

The second part is that Asian culture is steeped in respect and selfless deference. It's a mannerism that is more due to cultural notions of politeness and Buddhist or Confucian humility and selflessness. This should not be confused with an inferiority complex. Because should you ever step on one disrepectfully, you ought to be careful of the blowback, and there is often blowback. They are also very tenacious at winning. I do see them more and more showing their opponents up.
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@Samaire13 - yes exactly although my experience is also that of many other (not all) Caucasian women in Asia too...
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@ FuriousRose - it's the way it is I'm afraid. As a westerner in Asia, I cannot emigrate to a developed Asian country and become a Taiwanese, a South Korean, a Japanese or even a Thai or Philippino (reflected in the immigration and nationality laws) And if I do I will only achieve limited acceptance if I'm a Caucasian man (physical and cultural attraction and/or $$$$) but forget it if you're a Caucasian woman. By the way there's a very interesting history book on this subject: "The East, the West and sex, a History." You can get it on amazon - it basically reflects my observations on dating here in Asia.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/037571...&robot_redir=1

There are cultural and societal differences - cultural differences are distinct from attraction. Attraction is physical (can only control weight and grooming) and cultural (value system of your upbringing and society).
Where have you forgotten intellect as a major turn on..Don't deprive yourself. If one's intellect and overall character appeals, wouldn't that be a stronger incentive to click on with somebody than just the pre-planned and ordinary physical/origin/culture pull? People who overly plan get into interesting situations, sometimes..So, plan away People are magnets, and sometimes for reasons one cannot plan. What city, skin color or culture will be irrelevant, promise.
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Yes I agree on deference but there is also a weird post colonial hangover (see how African expats get treated in Asia vs how Caucasian expats get treated in Asia...very differently just like Caucasian men vs Caucasian women)...
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@Samaire13 - yes exactly although my experience is also that of many other (not all) Caucasian women in Asia too...
Congratulations, you are now a proper fully fledged forum member.

Having to caveat posts with the following to not rouse the peanut gallery.

- not all
- my observation
- my opinion
- some
- my experience
Etc

Anyway, if you're an out doors type like you mentioned earlier in this car crash thread, and of an age where socialising in bars is more appealing than clubbing, I'd pick Zurich.

I was born and bred in London, moved here 4 years ago, no intention of going back. My appeal to Zurich and Switzerland in general:

- skiing
- quality of life
- income
- women who are not orange
- women who do not draw on eyebrows with board markers
- weather is better than London
- Zurich is so well connected you can visit London, Paris, Milan and other major cities and they all seem cheap when you're accustomed to Swiss life.
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Re: London vs Zurich

With all this bickering I'm surprised that OfficeGirl didn't already decide on London!
Who the hell would want to share a country with you people...
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That's why you should date Mauritians No such family dramas but same looks
Or Fijians, or Trinidadians, or British, or Americans. Pretty much anywhere you have Indian descendants

But agree that <generally> many Mauritian families are more tolerant than traditional Indian families.
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@ JBZ86 - thanks for welcoming me as a fully fledged member!!

Can I ask how old you are? What do you usually do on weekends (what do most expats do on weekends) in Zurich?
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What do you usually do on weekends (what do most expats do on weekends) in Zurich?
This is the beauty of Zürich...it is so conveniently placed for activities of all kinds. Summer is awesome, Spring and Autumn can be fresh but usually pleasant, only Winter is grey and cold. But for the latter, you simply head for the ski slopes, which are on average about 90min away.

If I can give one reason why I stay in ZH, it's because I feel healthy here. I am constantly getting fitter, and had the opportunity to complete the Tour Transalp (7 day road bike race) and the Oetztaler (gruelling one day road bike race) this year, in addition to running, hiking and cycling activities. And all from a city where I can still involve myself in the cultural and social circles and live a suburban and natural life.
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