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Yes I agree on deference but there is also a weird post colonial hangover (see how African expats get treated in Asia vs how Caucasian expats get treated in Asia...very differently just like Caucasian men vs Caucasian women)...
Oh, you mean Switzerlanded? Yeah, he's suffering from self-inflicted feminist victimization. But its true about skin color in Asia. Even in Japan and Korea, where I believe true White people are. White people in Europe are actually typically pink or peach. White people in Japan and Korea are literally white. And there has been a historical social order there based on the whiteness of one's skin. Even European whites in those places are considered Gaijin demons. They can look very awkward and lanky in that setting.
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But its true about skin color in Asia. Even in Japan and Korea, where I believe true White people are. White people in Europe are actually typically pink or peach. White people in Japan and Korea are literally white. And there has been a historical social order there based on the whiteness of one's skin. Even European whites in those places are considered Gaijin demons. They can look very awkward and lanky in that setting.
Er...what?
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Old 04.11.2014, 18:42
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Er...what?
Oh you too! Welcome back, relax and enjoy!
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Old 04.11.2014, 18:45
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Er...what?
No, no like that...but

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Old 04.11.2014, 18:51
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Re: London vs Zurich

Just go with your gut feeling... Not sure there's anything further - as in new - that can be said for and against either city.

IIRC, earlier in this thread you indicated that you're more inclined to chose Zurich for the closeness of family aspect and wanting to settle down eventually. Am I right? If I am, then run with that...

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Old 04.11.2014, 18:57
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Re: London vs Zurich

I've always found it a bit suspect that one of the good things about being in Zurich that is mentioned most often is how easy it is not to be in Zurich.

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Old 04.11.2014, 19:07
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@ JBZ86 - thanks for welcoming me as a fully fledged member!!

Can I ask how old you are? What do you usually do on weekends (what do most expats do on weekends) in Zurich?
You're welcome.

Me, I am 28.

It depends on the time of year. In the summer I open my terrace for regular BBQ and table tennis parties, volleyball, football and swim by the lake, day trips to nearby towns to hike and explore the beauty of this country. I also like to hang around in Irish bars to watch football.

In the winter I ski most weekends, still bbq, and do more comedy club type events or see bands. Going to see live music here is great as it's often not as mosh pit as London gigs.
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Re: London vs Zurich

There is no point debating or arguing about this topic any longer. I left it so I didn't see the point or need to start posting statistics ( which in the footnotes stated that the information could be biased as assumptions and several factors were not considered in the study) and accusing me of calling you a bigot.

I don't think anyone can change your mind nor do I aim to. I am just in the opinion that having grown up in Singapore and lived there for over 25 years, some of the observations made are very stereotypical and generalized.

And Treverus is right. The realsingapore website is a troll website and quite farcical really. I always have a good laugh reading the BS that pops up on it from time to time

Anyway, wishing you all the best. Goodbye.
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Old 04.11.2014, 19:12
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I don't think anyone can change your mind nor do I aim to. I am just in the opinion that having grown up in Singapore and lived there for over 25 years, some of the observations made are very stereotypical and generalized.
So on that note, OP, I think you would fit perfectly well into Switzerland. Go for it! We have a great political party for you when you get here.
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Old 04.11.2014, 19:18
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But if she claims that for HER, Asian men are not an option, because she finds them neither physically attractive nor thinks hers and their culture would fit enough for a relationship to work, then what is wrong with that?.
I think OP explained pretty clearly why does she think a relationship with an Asian man wouldn't work. Who are we to say something else, especially when we don't know her.
End of story.
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Re: London vs Zurich

@ Tannie and @ Phos - I try my very best to base my views on experience, observations, facts and statistics (because my experiences are limited to me) rather than opinions with no evidence to back them up. Statistics are always flawed in some way but they are still a useful yardstick. There is never a universal truth but there are trends that give rise to a generalization or stereotype and there are of course exceptions.
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Cool down mate. I think it is not so gentleman to attack a lady like this, even virtually. Everyone is entitled to his/her way in relationship; there is not really a definite right and wrong way...
I didn't read a post like yours for a very long time. Actually I don't remember of ever reading such a thing on EF.
Well said, well said.
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Old 04.11.2014, 20:01
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@ Tannie and @ Phos - I try my very best to base my views on experience, observations, facts and statistics (because my experiences are limited to me) rather than opinions with no evidence to back them up. Statistics are always flawed in some way but they are still a useful yardstick. There is never a universal truth but there are trends that give rise to a generalization or stereotype and there are of course exceptions.
That is how I live my life. I never let others or some imagined group do my thinking for me. You really have to think it on your own. Afterall, you are responsible for yourself and nobody else. It's the only way to roll. Cheers, and good luck!
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There are tons of tall Asian men in Singapore, but most of them are of Indian origin which seems to be particularly not accepted by expat ladies...

sorry off subject, but immediately when I think of tall Singaporean man, my first thought is a Singapore Chinese man, the second Prime Minister of Singapore, Goh Ghok Tong, close on two meters & he has a tall son.
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@ Tanny - yes you do see some Singaporean men with Caucasian women and they tend to be the younger educated generation but they are still vastly outnumbered by the vice versa pairing. It's also the case that often Caucasian women are bigger than Asian women sometimes due to obesity but Asian men are often of a smaller build than Caucasian women. Happy to meet for coffee if I move to Zurich.
@FuriousRose - agree about the stereotype of Caucasian superiority but most Europeans are very egalitarian and they go to Asia and Asians treat Caucasians as if they Asians are inferior. I don't get it; when I first arrived here a shop assistant would often serve the Caucasians first even if they weren't first in the queue !?!

Anyway thanks for your comments guys - maybe we can revert to the Zurich vs London debate...

People can tell me endlessly that Brits, Americans and other colonials use the term "Caucasians" for Whites, WRONG the term is. As Caucasian refers to Georgia, Armania, Azerbaijan and adjoining regions of Russia. If you like your nose as it is you better do not tell any Russian that he is Caucasian as the relationship between the Russians and the Caucasians is rather a bit difficult
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Re: London vs Zurich

Honestly by reading your comments, I think you will be better off in Switzerland than in London. You want a very structured place where you feel you can control everything, with little place for any surprise. Zurich is your city, not London.
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@ Switzerlanded - I somewhat agree with some of what you say. Hardcore feminism and gender equality is destructive to society.

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People can tell me endlessly that Brits, Americans and other colonials use the term "Caucasians" for Whites, WRONG the term is. As Caucasian refers to Georgia, Armania, Azerbaijan and adjoining regions of Russia. If you like your nose as it is you better do not tell any Russian that he is Caucasian as the relationship between the Russians and the Caucasians is rather a bit difficult
Off Topic, but seems to be the so many ways with this thread

In London & I believe most of British Isles the term used is White, possible some organisations, more so on the international side use the term caucasion for those Ethnnic forms that are required to be completed in the case of employment. In the case of joining a Doctors Practice as a patient, the term is White.

Russians & adjoining regions, our friends from there are our friends & strongly declare there is no difficulty between us, they are our friends & we theirs.
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Old 05.11.2014, 04:16
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Oh, you mean Switzerlanded? Yeah, he's suffering from self-inflicted feminist victimization. But its true about skin color in Asia. Even in Japan and Korea, where I believe true White people are. White people in Europe are actually typically pink or peach. White people in Japan and Korea are literally white. And there has been a historical social order there based on the whiteness of one's skin. Even European whites in those places are considered Gaijin demons. They can look very awkward and lanky in that setting.
Jesus, (on a second thought, let's leave Jesus out of this thread...) what are you smoking?

Japan and Korea used to be feudal systems where social order was solely based on birth, just like in medieval Europe. Fun fact: up to a century ago was it fashionable for Japanese ladies to colour their teeth black.



Anyway, since it came up a couple of times: Does anyone have real life Japanese friends? It came up now a couple of times how backward, traditional and closed to country is... and well: I have some Japanese friends living here in Singapore and they are easily more open minded than many Western expats. I know a girl who brought her dark skinned muslim boyfriend home and here parents welcomed him with open arms.
I do not say that my friends are a perfect cross section of the Japanese society and yes, there are some rather traditional and hard to understand things going on there, but overall: The shogunate under which the Dutch sailors were considered "red haired devils" is over for some time... time to update your stereotypes as well.

If there is one conclusion to this thread is it home ignorant many seem to enjoy their decades old stereotypes - here is a top tip: go and make some friends with folks from different cultures and make your own experience instead.
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Hi Trevarus; go and take a look at the stats for Japanese - Foreigner marraines and then we'll talk. They pretty much mirror the Singapore - Foreigner stats. If you can't find them, I'm happy to post them here. Re Caucasian friends - you would be hard pressed to beat me on the international level I'm afraid. Caucasian could mean American, British, German, Maltese, South African, Russian, Bellorussian etc... I went to an international school I have lived all over the world and I have friends from all over. And I see the same patterns repeated. A woman marries into a man's culture. Hence you see many successful marriages between western men and non western women. Western society is a lot more free and less constrained. Both spouses having money also helps to equalize relationships. But you see far less of the opposite way round. Take a look at the divorce statistics from the Swiss Federal Office of Statistics on international marriages. (although I think the Singapore government has blocked this too). Go and have a look at ok cupid's survey on interracial dating too.
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