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Old 07.12.2014, 13:43
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Sorry, but that's just plain wrong.
  1. The vote in February was not about Non-EU-foreigners but to curb the nearly unrestricted immigration of EU citizens.
  2. Not a single letter of an applicable law has been changed yet due to the result of the vote.
What obviously happened was that some ignorant bureaucrats simply decided to apply the law differently. Everybody who has just the faintest clue of the music business knows that very few musicians are permanently employed at 75% or more.
No, they decided to apply the law as it should have been done in the first place.

It was obvious when the vote was passed that there was the possibility of them squeezing even more on the non-EU side until they make up their minds how they're going to deal with the vote's result, given that the EU is unlikely to budge on the free movement side of things. That's already been proven with the reduction in the number of new non-EU permits being made available from next year.
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Old 07.12.2014, 13:53
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Lake? We don' need no steenkin lake! Seriously, the Rhein running through Basel gives at least as much character as the lakes in t'other places.
I wish we had a lake in Basel. Some mornings I wake up, see the blue sky and just wish that instead we were totally blanketed in a grey misty depressing fog*. Lucky Zurichers.

* Please read this post next Summer. Right now, if you look out your window in Basel it won't make sense.
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Old 07.12.2014, 14:40
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Lake? We don' need no steenkin lake! Seriously, the Rhein running through Basel gives at least as much character as the lakes in t'other places.

The lakes of Zürich, Zug, Luzern and Geneva are NOT stinking at all. The Lake of Zürich is as clean now as it was some 300 years ago. And Glattbrugg-Glattpark even established a small artificial lake, not very romantic but quite nice, and real small lakes like the Katzensee, Greifensee and Pfäffikersee improve the picture.


What should Basel do ?
> Merge the two mini-lakes south of the St. Jakobs Stadion into one and enlarge the lake towards the Stadion
> Rename the Stadion into Stadion St Jakob am Basler-See
> Move the smaller Sport-Plätze a bit more outside town to a new place named Basel Sport-Zentrum
> Establish a sizeable Schwimmbad named Basel Lido
> Establish a "See-Promenade" named General Herzog Quai
> Establish a tram-line linking Basel-SBB to the Stadion and to Sport-Zentrum

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Old 07.12.2014, 15:10
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The lakes of Zürich, Zug, Luzern and Geneva are NOT stinking at all.
Oh, Wolli!

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Old 07.12.2014, 15:27
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Oh, Wolli!
People believe in what they want to believe in ...

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Re: Foreign musicians being expelled from Basel!

Hit the nail on the head. The official who gave out the permits too generously has retired I think.
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Re: Foreign musicians being expelled from Basel!

While attending a small chamber orchestra concert this weekend (which was a delight) I was reminded of all the wonderful music I've heard here in Switzerland over the years. I've enjoyed concerts by many well-known artists here - but even more importantly I've had the good fortune to hear many more up-and-coming young musicians.

That we have such a rich offering, attracting talent from all over, that Switzerland has been able to play 'well above it's weight' in the culture scene - we are truly fortunate here.

And what a terrible shame it would be to lose that talent.

I hope a solution can be found.

Thanks for highlighting this issue, 10:30.
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While attending a small chamber orchestra concert this weekend (which was a delight) I was reminded of all the wonderful music I've heard here in Switzerland over the years. I've enjoyed concerts by many well-known artists here - but even more importantly I've had the good fortune to hear many more up-and-coming young musicians.

That we have such a rich offering, attracting talent from all over, that Switzerland has been able to play 'well above it's weight' in the culture scene - we are truly fortunate here.

And what a terrible shame it would be to lose that talent.

I hope a solution can be found.

Thanks for highlighting this issue, 10:30.
Wouldn't have thought CH could be so short-sighted....musicians (or artists in general), of all people?
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No, they decided to apply the law as it should have been done in the first place.

It was obvious when the vote was passed that there was the possibility of them squeezing even more on the non-EU side until they make up their minds how they're going to deal with the vote's result, given that the EU is unlikely to budge on the free movement side of things. That's already been proven with the reduction in the number of new non-EU permits being made available from next year.
You seem to be one of the few who understand the situation.
The musicians didn`t qualify for work permits in the first place. It has been explained often enough why in the press over the last few weeks.
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Old 08.12.2014, 15:38
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You seem to be one of the few who understand the situation.
The musicians didn`t qualify for work permits in the first place. It has been explained often enough why in the press over the last few weeks.
Okay I guess I see your point, but from where I stand the law needs to be changed, not enforced as-is.

There's no logical reason to require non-EUs to have a 75% job with one employer or they don't get a permit. AFAIK, EUs can have a 75% job as long as they support themselves, so why the extra harsh rule for non-EU? Oh, I know...posturing about those damn furriners again.

There's nothing wrong (imo) with cobbling together the equivalent of 75% by doing numerous performances, so long as the individuals can support themselves and are not relying on social help.

Plenty of industries in Switzerland use job-sharing and hire people at less than 75%. So to me, the rule makes no sense.
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Old 08.12.2014, 16:14
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Hi everyone. Thanks again for your support with this petition. We're doing very well, but haven't met our goal yet. Does anyone have any ideas about good places to post this to attract more signatories? I'd appreciate any advice you may have!
How about hanging around the doors to important music venues before and after major events and encouraging people to sign, or at least leafletting them?

It takes time and volunteers, I know, but maybe some of the musicians most at risk might have a motivation to get involved and do this. And any others who chose to support them would no doubt be welcome.
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Old 08.12.2014, 16:21
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BASEL and MULHOUSE are really worth a visit of a day or a weekend. The two cities also have lots of good museums (for example the Automobile Museum and the Railways Museum in MLH and they BOTH have a zoo. Out of MLH you can visit beautiful vineyards and also make some tastings. Basel and Mulhouse are in fact really nice
The museums in Mulhouse are really nice. I agree. But otherwise Mulhouse is not really a city that has much for visitors. Okay, it has some nice corners here and there but by and large its mostly ugly concrete. Scenically it's very much second fiddle compared to other Alsace towns such as Strasbourg, Colmar, Riquewihr etc.
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Old 08.12.2014, 19:07
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You seem to be one of the few who understand the situation.
The musicians didn`t qualify for work permits in the first place. It has been explained often enough why in the press over the last few weeks.
If a law makes no sense there are several way to deal with it.
  1. Don't enforce it at all
  2. Enforce it in a reasonable way (what has been done before)
  3. Change the law (that's what needs to be done now)
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Re: Foreign musicians being expelled from Basel!

Hi everyone,

Here's some more information for you about this situation. The musicians have been receiving 8-month L visas until now, which, to my understanding, have not been subject to quotas.

While we're quoting law:
AuG Art. 2 Abs. 1
1 Die Zulassung von erwerbstätigen Ausländerinnen und Ausländern erfolgt im Interesse der Gesamtwirtschaft; ausschlaggebend sind die Chancen für eine nachhaltige Integration in den schweizerischen Arbeitsmarkt sowie in das soziale und gesellschaftliche Umfeld. Die kulturellen und wissenschaftlichen Bedürfnisse der Schweiz werden angemessen berücksichtigt.

The Kantons are allowed some leeway in how the law is applied, taking into account their own particular economic requirements. This was why the previous department head granted the Bewilligungen in the first place. He saw that without these excellent musicians, Basel's cultural economy would suffer greatly.

In any case, the 75% rule is not law. It is a directive (Weisung) from the Bundesamt für Migration (Bern) to the individual cantons. Basel just needs to ask for an exemption (which they are in their right to do), seeing as 75% employment with a single employer is unrealistic for a *freelance* musician. There are separate visas available for musicians who are employed on a fixed contract.

If you are not a regular concertgoer, you may not recognize the names of these musicians. You might recognize the groups though. (Capriccio and La Cetra baroque orchestras, for example.) All the affected musicians are highly-trained specialists. Here is one example of a prize-winning ensemble: http://quintaprofeti.com (made up of 4 Israelis and 1 Canadian).

We are very active on Facebook with this petition and have received 4000 signatures already in the last 5 days. However, we need more. If you haven't signed or shared this link yet, please do!
http://www.petitionen24.com/musikwuestebasel
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Old 08.12.2014, 22:42
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The museums in Mulhouse are really nice. I agree. But otherwise Mulhouse is not really a city that has much for visitors. Okay, it has some nice corners here and there but by and large its mostly ugly concrete. Scenically it's very much second fiddle compared to other Alsace towns such as Strasbourg, Colmar, Riquewihr etc.

Basel and Mulhouse should improve their co-operation. Look back at 1848, when Basel was the largest and most important city of Switzerland. A combined BSL-MLH could compete with Zürich and Geneva etc. By comparison, Zürich and Geneva took the left lane on the development highway, while Basel got onto the Pannenstreifen

Interesting and amazing is to see how MUBA (Mustermesse Basel) and ZÜSPA closely co-operate and practically sell BASEL and ZÜRICH as ONE place on the international market. When I heard about the scheme a few years ago, I concluded this will never work . Nice is that I was proven wrong as the scheme is a success. Yes, the small cities in the Switzerland-plus Region, like Strassburg, Colmar, Basel, Schaffhausen, Konstanz, Zürich, Luzern, Lugano, Como, Varese and Geneva ought to work more closely together
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Re: Foreign musicians being expelled from Basel!

Hello again EFers,
I'm bumping up this thread as the last day to sign the petition is this Sunday, January 25.

We've had a very positive reaction to our petition, both online (via Facebook, Reddit, etc) and in person (collecting signatures after concerts/theater performances). We're almost at 20,000 signatures from all over the world, but we need your help to finish strong on Sunday.

If you value Basel as a cultural magnet in Europe, if you enjoy living in a city which is home to some of the best musicians in the world, please take 20 seconds to protect this unique situation by signing here: http://www.petitions24.com/musikwuestebasel_en

After August 31, this will be the result of this new policy:
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