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Old 29.12.2014, 23:13
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Re: purchase of e-ciggarettes

I thought it was good advice.
Some people on here really need to be told these sorts of things in simple terms.
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I thought it was good advice.
Some people on here really need to be told these sorts of things in simple terms.
Pray tell, why do you think that people on here "need to be told these sorts of things in simple terms"? I'd love you to explain the logic of how people here who smoke, and want to quit, need it explaining to them that they shouldn't have started in the first place.
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Old 30.12.2014, 00:15
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Pray tell, why do you think that people on here "need to be told these sorts of things in simple terms"? I'd love you to explain the logic of how people here who smoke, and want to quit, need it explaining to them that they shouldn't have started in the first place.
Who's talking about quitting? What have e-cigarettes got to do with quitting?
You're still a nicotine addict.
There are nicotine-replacement therapies that do have some success but e-cigarettes aren't that.

Sure, you're not taking in tar etc in the smoke but you're seriously deluded if you think that they'll help you kick the nicotine habit.

Anjela wrote that people shouldn't start smoking in the first place. Not everyone on this forum smokes. Some may start.
So, it's good advice for those people.

Personally, I think it's good that you can't buy nicotine for e-cigarettes here.
Do we really need a new generation of impressionable youngsters becoming slaves to nicotine?
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Old 30.12.2014, 08:31
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Re: purchase of e-ciggarettes

Some people on here need to have things explained to them in simple terms, so here goes:

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Who's talking about quitting? What have e-cigarettes got to do with quitting? You're still a nicotine addict.
The point is, they help you quit smoking, and this is a Good Thing.

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There are nicotine-replacement therapies that do have some success but e-cigarettes aren't that.
Yes, they are.

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Sure, you're not taking in tar etc in the smoke but you're seriously deluded if you think that they'll help you kick the nicotine habit.
Who's talking about quitting the nicotine habit? The point is to quit smoking.

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Personally, I think it's good that you can't buy nicotine for e-cigarettes here.
No, it's a Bad Thing. It's a knee-jerk, reactionary policy which doesn't help anyone except the tobacco industry.

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Do we really need a new generation of impressionable youngsters becoming slaves to nicotine?
Of course we don't. But The evidence shows that impressionable youngsters don't become slaves to nicotine via e-cigarettes. On this topic, I find it amazing that so many Swiss youngsters smoke. They will continue to take up smoking if it remains a socially acceptable activity - it's tobacco which should be stigmatised, not nicotine.

For some informed opinion on e-cigarettes, see here or here or here or here or here. For some authoritative facts, see here.
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Who's talking about quitting? What have e-cigarettes got to do with quitting?
You're still a nicotine addict.
There are nicotine-replacement therapies that do have some success but e-cigarettes aren't that.
Ahh Tom1234, the problem with you is that you do your best to talk factually, using your simplistic black and white thought processes, while generally knowing feck-all about what you're talking about. The worst thing is that you could avoid looking like a complete twit by simply doing a bit of research:

Link 1: http://uk.businessinsider.com/new-e-...g-2014-12?r=US

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However, the novelty of e-cigarettes (the first of which hit the market in 2006) means there is only a smattering of evidence addressing the question of whether they actually do help smokers ditch the real thing. On December 17th, though, more evidence arrived--in the form of a review published by the Cochrane Collaboration, an international medical research organisation.

The review's authors, led by Peter Hajek of Queen Mary, a college of the University of London, examined results from 13 trials of e-cigarettes. The results, though a long way from being definitive, are encouraging.

Two of the studies the team looked at were randomised control trials. These are the highest form of medical evidence, in which doctors assign volunteers at random to the treatment being studied or to something else, and compare the results. In the cases examined, the something else was a placebo e-cigarette.

This resembled the real thing, but delivered no nicotine. About 9% of people using electronic cigarettes in these studies managed to abstain from smoking for six months, as against 4% of those using the placebos. One of the studies also found that e-cigarettes were at least as useful as nicotine patches in encouraging abstinence (the other did not examine this question).

Giving up smoking is the ideal outcome, but puffing less is good for you as well. Both studies suggested that e-cigarettes help those who cannot face giving up completely to cut their consumption significantly. Some 27% of smokers using placebo e-cigarettes, and 36% of those using the genuine electronic article, were able to do so by half or more. One of the trials also compared e-cigarettes with nicotine patches.
Link 2: http://consumer.healthday.com/mental...ng-688030.html

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However, Siegel said the new study is different because the researchers didn't just look at people who used e-cigarettes, but at those who used them specifically to quit.

"They actually identified smokers who were trying to quit using e-cigarettes, whereas in the other study they just interviewed smokers in general," he said. "You really want to know when people are using them in an effort to quit and how successful they are."

Recent reports have found that some e-cigarettes may contain harmful byproducts that might increase the risk for cancer. However, toxicity tests indicate they are safer than regular cigarettes, according to prior studies.
Link 3: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-term-use.html

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Smokers who use e-cigarettes are likely to stop or reduce their smoking, claims an independent review of trial data. Almost one in 10 smokers using e-cigarettes had been able to quit the habit up to a year later, and around one-third had cut down. The review of two trials is published today in The Cochrane Library, the world’s leading producer of systematic reviews.

Controversy continues over whether e-cigarettes have net benefits, amid fears that using them in public places will ‘re-normalise’ smoking, especially among young people, and reverse declining smoking rates.

The independent review of two trials has revealed almost one in 10 smokers using e-cigarettes had been able to quit the habit up to a year later, and around a third had cut down

Professor Peter Hajek of the UK Centre for Tobacco and Alcohol Studies at QMUL, co-author of the review, said smokers wanting to quit who had failed using conventional aids such as patches should try buying e cigarettes.
I know you don't claim to be a rocket scientist Tom, but I am sure even you can accept that people far more knowledgeable than you or myself think that they are in fact helping people to kick the smoking habit.

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Sure, you're not taking in tar etc in the smoke but you're seriously deluded if you think that they'll help you kick the nicotine habit.
See above... *pats head*

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Anjela wrote that people shouldn't start smoking in the first place. Not everyone on this forum smokes. Some may start.
So, it's good advice for those people.
Yeah Tom, you are absolutely right, Angela, with that one piece of cutting edge insight, has undoubtedly saved many adult from a life enslaved to nicotine, simply by telling them that they shouldn't start in the first place. Who knows how many lives she saved with that single post.

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Personally, I think it's good that you can't buy nicotine for e-cigarettes here.
Do we really need a new generation of impressionable youngsters becoming slaves to nicotine?
Yes Tom, an entire generation will become slaves to e-cigarettes... ain't needless scare-mongering great? Fact is a TON of people in Switzerland already smoke, and I would rather they smoke an e-cigarette than a regular one, so they do less damage to themselves and to others around them.

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Old 30.12.2014, 09:38
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Re: purchase of e-ciggarettes

I don't see why smoking gets such a bad press but skiing is universally loved myself. Smoking: done for fun, can, but not always, causes health damage requiring hospital treatment or death. Skiing: done for fun, can, but not always, cause health damage requiring hospital treatment or death.

It's a matter of personal choice. You can't lambast someone for smoking while pigging down your high fat burger or dodging the trees in an off-piste ski trail.
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Old 30.12.2014, 10:36
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Ahh Tom1234, the problem with you is that you do your best to talk factually, using your simplistic black and white thought processes, while generally knowing feck-all about what you're talking about. The worst thing is that you could avoid looking like a complete twit by simply doing a bit of research:

Link 1: http://uk.businessinsider.com/new-e-...g-2014-12?r=US



Link 2: http://consumer.healthday.com/mental...ng-688030.html



Link 3: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-term-use.html



I know you don't claim to be a rocket scientist Tom, but I am sure even you can accept that people far more knowledgeable than you or myself think that they are in fact helping people to kick the smoking habit.



See above... *pats head*



Yeah Tom, you are absolutely right, Angela, with that one piece of cutting edge insight, has undoubtedly saved many adult from a life enslaved to nicotine, simply by telling them that they shouldn't start in the first place. Who knows how many lives she saved with that single post.



Yes Tom, an entire generation will become slaves to e-cigarettes... ain't needless scare-mongering great? Fact is a TON of people in Switzerland already smoke, and I would rather they smoke an e-cigarette than a regular one, so they do less damage to themselves and to others around them.
Blah, Blah, Blah!

Go and have a cigarette (or an e-cigarette), get your dose of nicotine and then sit down and re-read what I wrote....carefully.
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Old 30.12.2014, 10:48
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Blah, Blah, Blah!

Go and have a cigarette (or an e-cigarette), get your dose of nicotine and then sit down and re-read what I wrote....carefully.
I did re-read it Tom, and you're still talking ****.
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Old 30.12.2014, 13:16
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Re: purchase of e-cigarettes

I don't have many pleasures in life but smoking is one of them.

I know the risks etc. and, like a kid in a candy shop, the more the righteous people try to get me to stop the more i blow the smoke in their face (not physically, i do have manners).

I shall stop when i want.

I think it is stupid that they sell the e-clopes here without the nicotine. What's the point, if i want to smell vanilla i buy a candle.

If i ever buy one i shall be the first over the border to get my nicotine. Supposedly the guy in Annemasse is making a tidy profit.
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I shall stop when i want.
Yeah, right. Good luck with that.
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Re: purchase of e-cigarettes

vaping is much less satisfying then real cigs, but I have found I smoke less. The benefit is you can take a quick drag here and there instead of a whole ciggy.

Outside of Switzerland you can get liquids with various levels of nicotine so you can gradually lower the nicotine over time.

I would suggest trying to get a taster pack of liquids as I find the flavours are a bit hit and miss
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Old 30.12.2014, 17:37
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Don't take up the habit in the first place.....
Just because someone smokes, doesn't mean that it's a habit.

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Old 30.12.2014, 18:16
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Re: purchase of e-cigarettes

Come on all you smokers, lighten up (get it?)

We know you're all getting jittery as it's almost that day when you all feel you ought to give up your addiction but are trying frantically to find excuses not to.

Oh well, there's always next New Year's Day (or the one after that..)
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Re: purchase of e-cigarettes

Forget the e-cig, now there's the e-joint, aka the cannacig!

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Come on all you smokers, lighten up (get it?)

We know you're all getting jittery as it's almost that day when you all feel you ought to give up your addiction but are trying frantically to find excuses not to.

Oh well, there's always next New Year's Day (or the one after that..)
Seriously Tom, if that is the best you, a grown adult, can come up with... then you really are a petty piece of work.

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Yeah, right. Good luck with that.

Although I know at least 3 people, heavy smokers all, who quit when they decided they'd had enough. One of them, an aunt, quit nearly 40 years ago and she's still alive at 92.
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Come on all you smokers, lighten up (get it?)

We know you're all getting jittery as it's almost that day when you all feel you ought to give up your addiction but are trying frantically to find excuses not to.

Oh well, there's always next New Year's Day (or the one after that..)
Tom, you are a smoker yourself, aren't you?
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Old 30.12.2014, 21:45
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Tom, you are a smoker yourself, aren't you?
I was once - many, many years ago. I gave up over a New Year and after one week, I felt so much better, I wondered why I had ever started.

My cousin, an oncologist, and once and occasional smoker, had a lung test and was pretty shocked to discover that she had done irreversible damage to her lungs. From that day, she never smoked again.
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Although I know at least 3 people, heavy smokers all, who quit when they decided they'd had enough. One of them, an aunt, quit nearly 40 years ago and she's still alive at 92.
And yet a lot more of my friends keep saying they want to quit but don't really manage to... I guess they don't try hard enough? It's just that for some people it's harder or near damn impossible to quit when the biology disagrees. Have you actually managed to give it up before and thus know that you can actually do it?
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Seriously Tom, if that is the best you, a grown adult, can come up with... then you really are a petty piece of work.
You really are getting jittery.

So, are you going to give up the habit or not?
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