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Thanks Wolli, I see you are up early too.

I understand what you mean, and I base my views on my many visits to Zurich, including customer service visits in the Zurich city & region, (I worked for a company for 15 years, in Thurgauerstr 50, Oerlikon) and whilst most Zurich citizens are very pleasant, you must agree that Zurich does attract the "greedy & showing off" type. Too much money corrupts, and one gets the idea that Zurich citizens look down on anyone with less salary, and especially at people in Basel who actually have to work for their money. I have met similar people in Munich and in Vienna, it is best to avoid them as most of them know the price of everything and the value of nothing.


Zürich did and does attract people, which is good, even if undesirables are always among Newcomers. That Zürich and Geneva, unlike Basel, always welcomed Newcomers gave them their relative economic lead. Zürich by average does NOT look down on strangers, and to Show off is totally UN-Zürcherisch. To be just to bank-employees, many of them are perfectly acceptable but many of them are arrogant and pompous , As soon as you deduct living costs, People in Zürich and Geneva do NOT have higher NET incomes
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That Zürich and Geneva, unlike Basel, always welcomed Newcomers gave them their relative economic lead.
"... unlike Basel ..."

Bizarre statement. What proportion of the population of Basel is foreign-born? (32.3% in 2008, according to Wikipedia.) Do you really think a third of all the inhabitants of Basel feel unwelcome?

Speaking for myself, I've always felt very much at home in Basel. No mean feat, considering the initial language barrier.
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"... unlike Basel ..."

Bizarre statement. What proportion of the population of Basel is foreign-born? (32.3% in 2008, according to Wikipedia.) Do you really think a third of all the inhabitants of Basel feel unwelcome?

Speaking for myself, I've always felt very much at home in Basel. No mean feat, considering the initial language barrier.

But in Zürich and Geneva there is nothing like the DEIG
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But in Zürich and Geneva there is nothing like the DEIG
Not that anybody would notice, let alone suffer from its existence in Basel...
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Not that anybody would notice, let alone suffer from its existence in Basel...


An uncle of me, of Schaffhausen origin but domiciled in Basel, used to complain about it, as it was more than just noticeable where he worked.
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An uncle of me, of Schaffhausen origin but domiciled in Basel, used to complain about it, as it was more than just noticeable where he worked.
You are on an expat forum, adapt to your audience. There is no way the Deig people consider mingling with expats. Expats are totally safe from the Deig in all eternity. As for job discrimination, the Deig is by far not the main source of it for expats, let's put it in soft words.
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I am wondering the meaning of DEIG
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You are on an expat forum, adapt to your audience. There is no way the Deig people consider mingling with expats. Expats are totally safe from the Deig in all eternity. As for job discrimination, the Deig is by far not the main source of it for expats, let's put it in soft words.


Correct of course. But there various factors which lead Basel from nr 1 in 1848 to nr 3 now.


I still remember two secondary School teachers asking the same two questions within three years -- which were
- whomever has parents of who either one was born in Zch > Hand up
- whomever has parents both of who were born in Zch > Hand up
in case of the first, there were up to 5 out of 30
in case the 2nd, there both times was just ONE out of 30
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I KNOW that it was and is similar in Geneva. But guess that it is different in most places in Basel. You may ask WHY. The answer is easy, it is because BASEL already was LARGE in 1848, which is the reason why the combined ALTSTADT of Basel is as large as it is . Add tp this that in WW-TWO, Basel and Schaffhausen only got Minimum supplies of everything from the mainland as both were considered to be almost FEST IN FEINDESHAND. SH needed half a century to fully recover.
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I am wondering the meaning of DEIG

The DEIG is the old Establishment of old BAAASLER families, looking back on a Tradition of centuries. The DEIG dominates social and economic life in Basel and is dominated by very very old families, who differ from others just by the way their names are written.


And to be clear, many of that "caste" have real format and class
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For Info: usually written DAIG with A in Swiss context to make a point that the prononciation is like High German ei, not dialectal äi. The spelling DEIG is high-German inspired.
This might be useful for online research.

That being said, the OP won't have the issue in Zürich or Bern.
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For Info: usually written DAIG with A in Swiss context to make a point that the prononciation is like High German ei, not dialectal äi. The spelling DEIG is high-German inspired.
This might be useful for online research.

That being said, the OP won't have the issue in Zürich or Bern.

In ZH dialect it would be d-ä-i-g just as in ales im äimer
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I am wondering the meaning of OP too.
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I am wondering the meaning of OP too.
It has two meanings ... Original Poster (you) or Opening Post (your post which started the thread).
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In ZH dialect it would be d-ä-i-g just as in ales im äimer
Well, that's my point: work on your pronunciation to get it right eventually.
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Well, that's my point: work on your pronunciation to get it right eventually.

the Däig is of course the Deig -- same pronounciation
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For Info: usually written DAIG with A in Swiss context to make a point that the prononciation is like High German ei, not dialectal äi.
Thanks for pointing that out. To my surprise there's even a Wikipedia entry on the Daig in English.
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the Däig is of course the Deig -- same pronounciation
No, it's not. Daig is pronounced as it looks, i.e. in the high German fashion. Not Deig. Not Däig. It's the point that distinguishes the very localised dialect of the Daig (Baaseldytsch) from more mortal Baslers (Baseldütsch).
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No, it's not. Daig is pronounced as it looks, i.e. in the high German fashion. Not Deig. Not Däig. It's the point that distinguishes the very localised dialect of the Daig (Baaseldytsch) from more mortal Baslers (Baseldütsch).

oooooops, I start to understand. That is why here, everybody believes that those of the Deig are teig (mildly pre-senile)
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oooooops, I start to understand. That is why here, everybody believes that those of the Deig are teig (mildly pre-senile)
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