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Re: Giving up caffeine.

I gave up coffee this past spring over a long weekend, the worst of the withdrawal was over after 3 or 4 days - mostly just feeling tired and groggy. the first couple of weeks I put on weight, but a little after 3 months later I have found that kicking the caffeine has helped me change my diet significantly (I now crave far less meat and breads).

I have no idea whether or not the net health "benefits" are worth the trouble, but it sure is nice to be able to wake up in the morning and not have to run immediately to the coffee machine before doing anything else.
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Er... whut?
It's probably all the nasty things being absorbed into his blood via his skin.
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Re: Giving up caffeine.

"For most healthy adults, moderate doses of caffeine — 200 to 300 milligrams (mg), or about two to four cups of brewed coffee a day — aren't harmful."
As a not so healthy adult, I guess 15 cups a day is ok then
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Anyway, there is very little caffeine in a good Italian espresso, which I like, while there is lots in US style coffee, which I don't like (percolators are great for extracting caffeine, a quick shot through an esprsso machine not so much).

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My intake of caffeine is now greatly reduced after switching to espresso coffee (and cappucinos) a few years ago.

I still like coffee in a cafetiere at breakfast time but anything else with as much caffeine, or more (filter or instant, for example) makes me feel nauseous and after mid-afternoon will stop me sleeping.

But I can have an espresso after a late dinner and still sleep well.
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It's probably all the nasty things being absorbed into his blood via his skin.
Nope - not my fault...it's the way we are made...


Coffee is acidic and gets absorbed directly into the bloodstream which causes immediate acidification of the blood. The blood must maintain a pH of 7.365...or we DIE. So, the body goes into overdrive to maintain homeostasis in the blood and pushes the acid into our tissues. We refer to the Digestive System as the bodies alkaline buffering system, because it does not digest food with acid, it buffers the acid in our food by creating alkaline liquids so it can safely pass through our bodies for elimination. The blood requires the pulling of alkaline forming compounds from the muscles, joints, and tissues to maintain homeostasis, essentially robbing them of alkaline minerals such as calcium, potassium, and magnesium.

So? So, if the body is robbing itself of alkaline minerals and water, and salts to maintain that delicate blood pH, there are long-term consequences that will follow. Robbing your muscles of magnesium repeatedly could lead to issues down the line such as fibromyalgia, robbing the joints or bones of calcium could lead to things such as arthritis or osteoporosis, and robbing the tissues of water and salts could lead to issues such as chronic fatigue.

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Coffee is acidic and gets absorbed directly into the bloodstream
Eh? Where did you get this gem from? Acidic, yes, mildly so, as anyone suffering from heartburn will attest, but assuming you don't hook it up to an IV drip it's difficult to imagine any possible mechanism by which it could get into the blood.

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which causes immediate acidification of the blood.
I don't know about you, but when I drink coffee it generally goes into my stomach, which contains and produces a highly acidic substance, some thousands of times more acidic than the coffee I've just drunk. (Ph of coffee ~4, Ph of stomach ~2-3) .

Really, if you're going to spout this sort of mumbo-jumbo, you could at least make a little effort to be self-consistent.
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Re: Giving up caffeine.

alkalarian, blood ph is regulated by the bicarbonate buffering system, and if the ph is lowered it's sufficient to breath more to expel more CO2, shifting the equilibrium of the following formula to the left (le chatelier principle) and thus removing acid (H+):

Additionally the kidneys can also contribute to pH regulation by regulating ammonia and bicarbonate secretion.

And coffee gets absorbed in the intestine like most things.
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I gave up coffee this past spring over a long weekend, the worst of the withdrawal was over after 3 or 4 days - mostly just feeling tired and groggy. the first couple of weeks I put on weight, but a little after 3 months later I have found that kicking the caffeine has helped me change my diet significantly (I now crave far less meat and breads).

I have no idea whether or not the net health "benefits" are worth the trouble, but it sure is nice to be able to wake up in the morning and not have to run immediately to the coffee machine before doing anything else.
Congratulations!
I've been trying so many times to give up coffee and even succeeded for relatively short periods....(unfortunately always started again especially when I had to wake up very early in the morning). I had the same feeling, although the reflex of drinking something warm first thing in the morning didn't really disappear so I used to drink a cup of herbal/non-caffeinated tea instead of coffee.
Anyway, it's do-able, if one is really determined.
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Re: Giving up caffeine.

Why so much coffee hatred out there?


Cars injure and kill more people than coffee does and yet less people give up cars for health reasons than what they do coffee.


Of course this is just the point of view from a coffee lover.
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I just realized that I have always a headache, my digestive system is not very in shape (it feels like they are playing bowling in there), I have no energy and I am always tired.

I drink 2-3 cups in the morning and 1-2 in the afternoon. Mostly because I am always tired so I drink more to keep me going but I am always tired and the wheel turn...

So, I think to stop and replacing with decaf coffee. I feel that just reducing won't help me, I need to cut it off all together. In the evening I usually drink decaf tea or hot water.
Hi Nil,

Actually coffeine is known to be good against headache. But you should not have more than 2-3 cups a day. It takes up to 6 to 10 hours to get rid of from the system. So better not drink it after 6 at the latest in the evening.
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Hi Nil,

Actually coffeine is known to be good against headache. But you should not have more than 2-3 cups a day. It takes up to 6 to 10 hours to get rid of from the system. So better not drink it after 6 at the latest in the evening.
This largely depends on whether you're a slow or normal metabolizers of caffeine.

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But you should not have more than 2-3 cups a day.
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So better not drink it after 6 at the latest in the evening.
Only if you're unfortunate enough to suffer negative effects.

Me, I sometimes may have five or six cups a day, very occasionally perhaps even more, and sometimes just the one first thing in the morning, or even none at all. I can't say it makes any overall difference to anything, as long as enough water is ingested as well.
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Re: Giving up caffeine.

I thought that the headaches after stopping having coffee is not really addiction withdrawal, but rather your brain's blood vessels going back to their original size, since caffeine acts as a blood vessel dilator. Perhaps taking some aspirine would help there.

Remember that it is not just the amount of coffee you have, it is also important when you drink it. It can affect your digestion if you take right right after a meal (as lots of people do).

When a couple of years ago I had some (unknown, most likely stress-related) stomach problems for several months, I stopped having coffee right after lunch having tea instead. Then I'd have an espresso in the middle of the afternoon. I got used to that and up to this day that is my routine. I also avoid having coffee (as in: italian espresso; is there any other type of coffee?!) with an empty stomach.
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Re: Giving up caffeine.

I drink about 5 cups on a bad day. I have young children and a full time job.

I have given up caffeine and alcohol twice for a period of 10 days.

Both times I found caffeine the hardest.

I found that I had raging headaches for 2 days.
I started to sleep longer after 3 days (about 2 hours longer a night).
But I missed caffeine so much.

Im going to keep doing this - once every 6 weeks or so quit both for 10 days.
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Re: Giving up caffeine.

Caffeine Acts as a Stimulant

Caffeine is a toxic stimulant. This is not natural for the body. It activates the “fight or flight” response.

It’s important to remember that the caffeine in coffee is a powerful substance. It can stimulate the central nervous system, increase heartbeat and metabolic rate, increase the secretion of stomach acid, and step up kidney and bladder action. It’s also well known for its annoying ability to affect sleep.i

The article goes on to say that in higher doses, caffeine can cause “coffee nerves”—a wide assortment of symptoms including anxiety, irritability, headaches, light-headedness, nausea, and diarrhea.ii

Coffee can cause a temporary increase in blood sugar, but it is quickly followed by a decrease, and stimulates the release of adrenaline, which causes body tissues to be broken down into sugar and fat. Too much insulin is produced, and the blood sugar falls to a low level.

Caffeine is a Poison

Caffeine, which is the main chemical in coffee, is a powerful poison! A drop of caffeine injected into the skin of an animal will produce death within a few minutes. An infinitely small amount injected into the brain will cause convulsions. The amount of caffeine in a cup of coffee is quite small, yet we drink coffee because of the effect of the caffeine, just as we smoke because of the effect of the nicotine. Both are drugs, and both are habit-forming. Both are poisons.

Coffee Drinking and Stomach Ulcers

The general public usually associates ulcers and heart trouble with coffee drinking. J.A. Roth and A.C. Ivy, whose experiments on coffee are famous, state this:

Caffeine produces gastro-duodenal ulcers in animals to whom the drug is given in a beeswax container so that their stomachs are absorbing caffeine continually. Also, caffeine produces very definite changes in the blood vessels of animals, which are similar to changes produced by prolonged resentment hostility and anxiety.iii

Coffee Linked to Hip Fractures

“People who drink more than two cups of coffee or four cups of tea a day could be increasing their risk of hip fracture in old age, according to a new study.”ivThe study, published in the October issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology, is the first to link caffeine consumption with hip fractures that occur in older people whose bones have weakened. A hip fracture often marks an elderly person’s final decline into dependency or death.

Brown University’s Dr. Douglas P. Kiel and his colleagues looked at how much coffee or tea 3170 people reported drinking over 14 years. They then looked to see which ones fractured their hips, a sign that bones had become brittle. They found that heavy caffeine drinkers were 53% more likely to suffer hip fractures.

Infertility

Trying to become pregnant? Stop drinking caffeinated drinks. Among 104 women, those who drank just one cup of caffeinated coffee a day were half as likely to become pregnant during any given menstrual cycle as those who drank less, according to a 1988 study by Allen Wilcox of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences.

Most of the studies conducted since then have also found that caffeine impairs fertility, but usually only at three or more cups of regular coffee a day.

But the research is only as good or bad as the women’s memories. For example, scientists at John Hopkins University found that among 2500 women who were trying to become pregnant, consuming more than 300 mg of caffeine a day reduced their chances of succeeding in any given month by 17%. But those results were based on the amount of coffee and soft drinks the women could remember having consumed as many as ten years earlier.

Even so, “it’s probably prudent for women who are trying to become pregnant, and especially for those having trouble, to cut back on caffeine,” says Mark Klebanoff of the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development in Bethesda, Maryland.

Does Coffee Cause Cancer?

There is mounting evidence suggesting that if you want to avoid certain cancers, you are well-advised to kick the coffee habit. Consider these examples:

One study revealed that not only was coffee drinking associated with increased risk of bladder cancer, but the drinking of non-diet cola drinks also was linked to this problem.

Coffee drinking increases the risk of birth defects.

Coffee drinking increases blood pressure, increasing the risk of heart disease.

It is commonly thought that the drinking of coffee, soft drinks, and other caffeinated drinks is a minor matter as far as our health is concerned. But is it? We cannot estimate its effect on mind and emotions, discrimination, and judgment. And then there are the harmful effects of the stimulation on the heart and other vital organs.

Coffee and other caffeinated beverages are poor substitutes for water. The body need fluids, but not stimulating drugs. Giving up the coffee habit is relatively easy to do for most folks—once a commitment has been made. Since caffeine is a less toxic drug than alcohol or street drugs, the majority of coffee drinkers can give up the habit without the sort of difficulties that alcoholics and drug addicts typically experience.

When giving up caffeine, eat and drink only what contributes in some way to good nutrition for the body. Any food or drink does not contain vitamins, minerals, or enzymes should automatically be crossed off the list. While breaking the coffee habit, be sure to drink plenty of fresh juices and water.

Just how widespread is coffee drinking? The average American drinks over twenty-six gallons of coffee per year, but perhaps more germane to the discussion is caffeine itself. Coffee has over three hundred chemicals; caffeine is only one of them.
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Re: Giving up caffeine.

To withdraw myself from this thread...

I found out that my headaches were the results of medications not adjusted.

I still drink coffee happily and have no headache. Please, continue on the topic.
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Re: Giving up caffeine.

In response to Alkalarian's too long to quote post,


I am over 40, drink 4 to 5 litres of coffee a day and have done for many years now, eat only once a day and I don't drink plain water (water makes rust ;-) ).
Every year I undergo a medical examination for work purposes and have absolutely no problems.


Point being, people are different and react differently to various "substances"
It also depends on if and how much sugar or aspartame type sweeteners you are using in your coffee.
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I drink 4 to 5 litres of coffee a day...
Liters?? I'd never sleep!
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I am over 40, drink 4 to 5 litres of coffee a day and have done for many years now, eat only once a day and I don't drink plain water (water makes rust ;-) ).
Every year I undergo a medical examination for work purposes and have absolutely no problems.


Point being, people are different and react differently to various "substances"
It also depends on if and how much sugar or aspartame type sweeteners you are using in your coffee.
Are your teeth OK too if you don't mind me asking? Don't you have to be super cautious about dental care with all this coffee?
If it's your thing to drink coffee, go right ahead, no problem.
But I'd go nuts keeping my teeth in their current state of whiteness if I consumed this much of a quite intense coloring agent.
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