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Old 08.01.2015, 15:49
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Are you saying your relatives are farmers and live out in the boonies?
YES. They live in farmhouses like this:

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Do you mean that riding the bus AND a train is too costly? The train ticket can be used also on the bus. You don't need to buy 2 separate tickets.
oh. Sorry I didn't know that. But thank you!

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To answer exactly your question of CHEAPEST AND HASSLE FREE...its logically A in my opinion. You'll need to shell out money for a GA train card (3500 CHF i think???). But, your travel is covered for the year and if you do not pay to live with relatives...this seems to be your only expense. Tres simple.

My personal choice would be B though. Assume you commute from Bern...its possible and many people do this...but the quality of life decrease caused by commuting or getting ready to commute should be a consideration. Cheap does not equal happy. Consider that this would mean you would be in transit at least 20 hours a week. That's almost its own job.
I really don't care if I'm not happy as long as I save money.

SO GUYS,

I'm still confused! I want to save money.
Does moving out and paying rents/meal will help me earn more?
Or just live in the farm village and commute?

I really don't care if I'm not happy. I want to save money.
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Old 08.01.2015, 16:02
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Well since I'm not yet in schweiz, no. Not yet. But I'm talking to someone.
Until you have a job and are through the probationary period in that job, live with relatives. After that, re-evaluate.

If saving money is really your #1 priority then you should continue to live with the relatives. Public transport even from the back of beyond will be much cheaper than renting your own apartment and buying your own food.

However, you may find that you want more independence, or a shorter commute, and that it's worth spending some extra money to get those things.
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Re: My future daily struggle (hopefully not)

There are alternatives to that bus, subject to distance of course, a scooter for instance.

My recommendation would be:

A) until you're settled in, have saved some cash so you can afford stuff easily, and have become accustomed to CH, and most of all, have found a suitable apartment - these are often very difficult to come by and living with your relatives you can take your time. Then B), obviously.

C is both expensive and probably takes far longer than you'd suspect at first glance if you work at ordinariy business hours.
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Old 08.01.2015, 16:07
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I really don't care if I'm not happy as long as I save money.
Then your first job is to get a job. Worry about your own flat later.

The job you're looking at in Zürich is only theoretical at this point so you could be putting a lot of energy (and possibly money) into nothing. Who knows, you could find something that is closer to Bern anyway, making the commute question a moot point. Don't make life overly complicated for yourself.
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Old 08.01.2015, 16:13
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Yes. Living alone and independent since 2007.
My relatives from the swiss side is quite xenophobic and only understand a little bit of english. But they are nice to me.
Relatives are like fish ..... after 3 days they go off. So living with your xenophobic relatives will be good for maybe the first week or so, and then you`ll (most probably) be asked to do small jobs around the homestead.

Like, maybe, collect the eggs, fetch vegetables from the garden, help with harvests, dig a bit of earth here and there. Most definitely will involve doing your own laundry and cleaning your living quarters. Helping with cooking/clearing away after meals, etc etc.

If you`re commuting to the big city perhaps you`ll be given shopping lists to buy stuff not available locally - and come home laden with shopping bags.

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Old 08.01.2015, 16:18
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Re: My future daily struggle (hopefully not)

If your relatives do not speak much English, that'll be an enormous advantage for you! Over and over new immigrants underestimate the necessity of learning the local language, and if they will let you live with them (in that beautiful house), you will have an opportunity very few newcomers have, namely full language immersion. A great chance!

For just about every aspect of your life thereafter, you will, in fact, be happier (and have a good chance of becoming richer) if you can understand Swiss German and speak either or both of High German and Swiss German.

Also, having lived with Swiss relations, and being able to say that you helped them in their house/farm... will end up being a plus point anywhere you later need to demonstrate that you have culturally acclimatised and integrated. Employers like that. Landlords like that.

I'd suggest staying with your relations and getting a bicycle. That will make you a little less dependent on the bus timetable to get you to the station. Travel by public transport is not considered "the poor man's solution" here, but is the choice of preference of many businesspeople or politicians who live in (or outside) one city and work in another.

Have a look at www.ch.ch, the goverment website.
And at www.sbb.ch, the train website, where you can compare fares, and will find a map showing the validity of the "GA" and the "Halbtax" (half fare card).

You could stay with your relations and also join couchsurfing, so as to get away from time to time, and meet other locals.
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Old 08.01.2015, 16:22
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I'm still confused! I want to save money.
Does moving out and paying rents/meal will help me earn more?
Or just live in the farm village and commute?
How do you expect anyone to answer this for you? You've been given some pointers, but only you can possibly guess at distances (and therefore travel costs and time), salary and whether you can get on with your relatives well enough.
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Re: My future daily struggle (hopefully not)

Firstly, why the fixation on Zurich? There could be plenty of jobs you can do nearer in Bern canton and even the city itself.

As you're coming here "cold" effectively I would stay with the relatives (for as long as you can stand them) concentrating on getting a job and improving your language skills. Once you've done that you can look at a) moving out to a place of your own in Bern canton b) finding another job in Zurich or c) finding another job in Zurich and move into your own place there.
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Old 08.01.2015, 16:47
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I really don't care if I'm not happy. I want to save money.

....there's a lot more to life than just money, it helps give you an impression of well being, that's all !
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.... I would stay with the relatives (for as long as you can stand them) .
... and as long as they can stand you or, put another way, as long as they will offer you their hospitality because they like you and/or because they think they're getting a good deal by having a helpful, friendly person around.
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Gee, looks like I missed all the juicy bits again. Keep this up and you'll both be deleted.
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Old 08.01.2015, 18:53
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Re: My future daily struggle (hopefully not)

I agree that you should probably stay with your relatives until you're able to save more to get a place of your own. (Besides, I've heard it can be difficult for people to get apartments in Zurich if they hadn't already been living here to have prior landlord references, etc. -- though I'm not sure).

Once (and if) you do decide to get your own place, you can also consider moving just a bit outside of central Zurich, where rent is usually quite a bit lower... and then taking a train and/or bus to work (this is what many, many people do here on a daily basis).

Also, simply because your relatives are farmers, that doesn't mean that they'll necessarily be willing to expect you to farm! Helping around the house is one thing. Plowing a field is another.

Regardless... if you approach this situation with an open mind and an eagerness for new experiences, then I think you may actually enjoy it. It's rarely easy to settle into a new country/culture, but I think it's usually just a matter of time before you start to get use to it.

Whatever you decide, good luck!
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