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You're right, I should have said no more than two (I forget not everyone is 50 kilo!



Really? I know beer, wine and whisky smell strongly but clear spirits??
Where was clear spirits mentioned? .... must have missed that.

[only alcoholics drink clear spirits, during the day]
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Old 22.01.2015, 17:05
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Where was clear spirits mentioned? .... must have missed that.

[only alcoholics drink clear spirits, during the day]
It hadn't been mentioned until I mentioned it! I just didn't think they had much of an odour... If I were to have one drink with lunch (which is incredibly rare as I don't work, I'm with my kids at lunch time; actually there you go that's one job that one drink is not acceptable with lunch if you count motherhood as a job!!) I would have G&T as I don't like wine (or beer)
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Re: Alcohol at midday

I'd be interested to know whether the "it's okay to drink at lunchtime" views expressed in this thread were written by Swiss people and long-termers, or by the newly immigrated. In any case, they surprise me, since at the various places in which my Swiss friends and I have worked in Switzerland (and I'm running through about 10 major employers, in my mind) I'd say it was wholly unacceptable to drink alcohol at lunchtime, though many do so socially, after work.

If the job involves operating any sort of machinery or equipment, dealing with customers or clients, or taking major decisions, the person should be suspended from attempting those tasks if he/she has drunk any alcohol at all. If the person repeatedly smells of alcohol, then I'd think he/she should be referred to a doctor and/or counselling service.

It's not an easy matter to deal with... finding the courage and determination to confront the drinker, and map out the alternatives.
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I'd be interested to know whether the "it's okay to drink at lunchtime" views expressed in this thread were written by Swiss people and long-termers, or by the newly immigrated.
I would deem it unacceptable (fairly newly immigrated) and would not do it, however both of my previous Swiss employers would keep the wine flowing for all when he took us out for lunch. I even remember asking a Swiss collegue once 'He does realise we all going back to the office after this?' To which I got laughed at...
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If the job involves operating any sort of machinery or equipment, dealing with customers or clients, or taking major decisions, the person should be suspended from attempting those tasks if he/she has drunk any alcohol at all. If the person repeatedly smells of alcohol, then I'd think he/she should be referred to a doctor and/or counselling service.


My old mate, 'Billy-three-fingers', worked in a butchers' and always had a few beers at lunchtime and still went back and used the slicing machine.
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Old 25.01.2015, 11:21
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I'd be interested to know whether the "it's okay to drink at lunchtime" views expressed in this thread were written by Swiss people and long-termers, or by the newly immigrated.
Long time Swiss person.

But, this is Ticino.

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I'd be interested to know whether the "it's okay to drink at lunchtime" views expressed in this thread were written by Swiss people and long-termers, or by the newly immigrated. In any case, they surprise me, since at the various places in which my Swiss friends and I have worked in Switzerland (and I'm running through about 10 major employers, in my mind) I'd say it was wholly unacceptable to drink alcohol at lunchtime, though many do so socially, after work.

If the job involves operating any sort of machinery or equipment, dealing with customers or clients, or taking major decisions, the person should be suspended from attempting those tasks if he/she has drunk any alcohol at all. If the person repeatedly smells of alcohol, then I'd think he/she should be referred to a doctor and/or counselling service.

It's not an easy matter to deal with... finding the courage and determination to confront the drinker, and map out the alternatives.
I'm very "newly immigrated" (8 months) and I think it's okay to have just one (or two if you are more average-sized) It does depend on the job though. When I worked in offices and my job consisted of sitting at a desk with a computer and telephone I would sometimes drink alcohol during lunch hour. But when I was a care assistant and my job consisted of driving my car a lot and looking after disabled people I never did this and would not have considered it.
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I'd be interested to know whether the "it's okay to drink at lunchtime" views expressed in this thread were written by Swiss people and long-termers, or by the newly immigrated. In any case, they surprise me, since at the various places in which my Swiss friends and I have worked in Switzerland (and I'm running through about 10 major employers, in my mind) I'd say it was wholly unacceptable to drink alcohol at lunchtime, though many do so socially, after work.
Not in the French part of Switzerland it's not. Wine or beer at lunch is not unusual neither having a digestif after lunch. And this includes business lunches with clients.

Now back to the original question... How much is this person drinking really? Do you know? Do you think s/he may have an alcohol problem?

I had a boss who would regularly have an amaretto, grappa or limoncello after lunch and that one drink was strong enough to linger. You could smell the alcohol. Since I was often at lunch with him I knew he only drank one drink. So he certainly was in no way incapacitated.
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Old 25.01.2015, 15:56
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But how would you react to a professional person at 2pm in the process of supposedly doing their job reeking of alcohol?
What job does he do exactly? I see it like this:

Air traffic controller - big problem.
Journalist - no problem.
Bond trader - let's see how it goes but turn the risk management up to 11.
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Re: Alcohol at midday

It is not someone I know, only met twice & I don't give a toss if he has a drinking problem.

Estate agent.

To me it showed no respect showing a family around a house with a pre-arranged appointment whiffing like that or to the person who had given him the mandate (which was immediately cancelled).
He also smoothed his hand through his greasy or gelled hair then held his hand out for me to shake it. I wanted to get out the Dettol.
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Estate agent.
Oh, a salesman. Well the rule there is very clear. They can be (and often have to be) lubricated but must be always less so than the client.
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Brain surgeon or astronaut, probably not acceptable. QA at a brewery? Mandatory, surely.
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Old 25.01.2015, 20:35
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It is not someone I know, only met twice & I don't give a toss if he has a drinking problem.

Estate agent.

To me it showed no respect showing a family around a house with a pre-arranged appointment whiffing like that or to the person who had given him the mandate (which was immediately cancelled).
He also smoothed his hand through his greasy or gelled hair then held his hand out for me to shake it. I wanted to get out the Dettol.
umm... ok. i thought it might be someone you worked with.

My mind reading skills must be out of wack.
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I'd be interested to know whether the "it's okay to drink at lunchtime" views expressed in this thread were written by Swiss people and long-termers, or by the newly immigrated.
I'm in my 10th year here, both places that I have worked it was/is common to go out to lunch and have a beer or two with it. Not everyday but a couple of times a week. Alcohol in the office after 16:00 is also allowed. I don't know anybody who abused it or couldn't do their job. Anybody being drunk on the job would certainly not be tolerated.

We even have a fridge in the office with wine and beer in it.

I'm not a regular drinker by the way, but I don't see the problem. We're all adults.
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Re: Alcohol at midday

I've worked in an international company in Zurich for the past 4 years and no one drinks alcohol (wine/beer) at lunch. Not even on casual Fridays.
Easy rule to remember: the party only starts after 4pm.
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Re: Alcohol at midday

Carlsberg staff had lunchtime beer built into their contracts

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-beer-cut.html
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Carlsberg staff had lunchtime beer built into their contracts

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-beer-cut.html
I'm now thinking about moving to Denmark ...... I want that job.


In-house staff have been cut from 3 free bottles a day to one (although they have a beer tap for a quick swig, here and there), but delivery drivers can still keep their allowance of 3 bottles a day - love it.
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Carlsberg staff had lunchtime beer built into their contracts

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-beer-cut.html
I read this differently: The employees got up to now three bottles a day. It does not say they need to drink it at work and given that the employees reject the now installed tab do I guess this means that they typically take the beer home. Given the price of beer in Scandinavia is that basically a valuable fringe benefit to a salary which I expect is not that high. If I earn 1500 a month would I also be pissed off when somebody takes the 120 CHF worth of beer I get for free away.
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Re: Alcohol at midday

When I first started working in the late 80s, early 90s, a Friday lunchtime pie'n'pint was almost a permanent fixture. Indeed, the directors in my first job used to take the whole team out to the pub for Friday lunch.

I used to have a directory on the computer called "Friday-Afternoon" where I would put any post-lunch code changes, and a cron job that would clear the directory on Saturday morning.

Provided you are not customer-facing, or otherwise in some critical job where 100% sobriety is required, provided the work is getting done I really don't see a problem. In fact, experience is you get more out of a team on the promise of a Friday team meeting in the pub.

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Old 26.01.2015, 09:38
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Re: Alcohol at midday

Depends on industry as well. I work in the insurance market and liquid lunches are still normal in and around the square mile. Here in Switzerland it is more the exception than the rule I find.
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