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Re: 3500 CHF salary in Zurich

I would like to correct that the thing I have called as salary is actually a scholarship that are going to paid me by Swiss Government.
That's all..
I will find a way in the light of these suggestions.
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Re: 3500 CHF salary in Zurich

If you by any chance would like to stay longer, be careful about asking for social help, etc, since they might deny your future permit as in here...

Renewal of permit denied - what now?
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That's not a post doc salary let alone a PhD salary. You're getting shafted.
PhDs and Postdocs are adept at getting shafted all the time (source: personal experience)
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Re: 3500 CHF salary in Zurich

I would leave the family behind for a few months. If you come to the conclusion you might find a job here and you like the place it would be a completely different situation.

But to move your family to Zurich for just one year and then return anyway doesn't make too much sense IMHO. Finding a cheap apartment is tricky enough, you have to buy furniture, have to find a school for your son and so on...
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Re: 3500 CHF salary in Zurich

For those interested in this fellowship, I found it under India, but it must be the same for everybody.

http://www.sbfi.admin.ch/themen/0136...x.html?lang=en
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Old 05.02.2015, 17:55
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For those interested in this fellowship, I found it under India, but it must be the same for everybody.

http://www.sbfi.admin.ch/themen/0136...x.html?lang=en
Good find! Highlights from the PDF for post-docs:
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- The scholarship amounts to a monthly payment of 3’500 Swiss Francs.
- Exemption of the tuition fees (except for EPFL).
- Mandatory Swiss Health insurance paid by the FCS (for non-EU and EFTA grantees only).
- A lump sum for air fare for non-European grantees only (provided at the end of the scholarship).
- Special 300 Swiss Francs housing allowance (paid once at the beginning of the scholarship).
- 1 year half-fare public transportation card.
- Counseling and various trips, dinners and sight-seeing tours organized for Swiss Government Excellence Scholarship holders.
So at least his health insurance is covered. Still that amount makes you wonder if they ever consider a family coming along with one of the scholarship recipients.
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Re: 3500 CHF salary in Zurich

is it 3500 chf before or after taxes? This is a big question.

Also, as a scholarship from the Swiss government, how do they expect postdocs to manage with this money? Don't they live in Switzerland?

I thought that in Switzerland you get paid according to your education, and more or less everybody gets the same in the academic world given the same title.
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For those interested in this fellowship, I found it under India, but it must be the same for everybody.

http://www.sbfi.admin.ch/themen/0136...x.html?lang=en
You may well find there are minimum amounts that need to be paid under university rules. Might be worth asking if that will be topped up by the university?

A new post doc would be getting about 80k per annum
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You may well find there are minimum amounts that need to be paid under university rules. Might be worth asking if that will be topped up by the university?

A new post doc would be getting about 80k per annum
The post-doc salary is constant, what's variable is the % employment. I have noticed that it's common practice in CH to hire postdocs / research staff at employment levels between 50% - 80%.
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The post-doc salary is constant, what's variable is the % employment. I have noticed that it's common practice in CH to hire postdocs / research staff at employment levels between 50% - 80%.
But since this fellowship is mostly from those that are outside Switzerland, I would expect to be employed 100%.
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But since this fellowship is mostly from those that are outside Switzerland, I would expect to be employed 100%.
Genuine question - why should someone from outside Switzerland have 100% and someone here have less? I always thought 50-80% was the norm.

Back to the OP's situation, perhaps he will get a typical 50-80% wage from the Uni and the scholarship from the government is on top of that. If that's the case then the combined wage might be manageable after all.
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- The scholarship amounts to a monthly payment of 3’500 Swiss Francs.
- Exemption of the tuition fees (except for EPFL).
- Mandatory Swiss Health insurance paid by the FCS (for non-EU and EFTA grantees only).
- A lump sum for air fare for non-European grantees only (provided at the end of the scholarship).
- Special 300 Swiss Francs housing allowance (paid once at the beginning of the scholarship).
- 1 year half-fare public transportation card.
- Counseling and various trips, dinners and sight-seeing tours organized for Swiss Government Excellence Scholarship holders.
The scholarship amounts to a monthly payment of 3’500 Swiss Francs.

I read that as; The value of all the benefits add up to 3500chf, not that he will get 3500chf, plus health insurance etc etc
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Re: 3500 CHF salary in Zurich

Well, let's hope he's getting 3500 PLUS whatever he'd get as a salary from the university....

(Am I being too optimistic?!)
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Re: 3500 CHF salary in Zurich

Ibo,

it does not look that bad, though the general ceveats about the high living costs definitely stay still true and are not to be underestimated! But let me explain step by step:

- First of all, a scholarship (Stipendium) is not a salary! It's a kind of loan you don't have to pay back. So there will be no social security deductions - very good! But it will be taxed. It's a gift. And assumed you will not earn anything else – possible – you will eventually only pay the minimum of tax liability. But I assume around 1000 CHF per year, given you can declare deductions such as daily travel costs and additional education costs (books?).
- They say it will amount to 3500/Mt., since it means you will very propably get the whole amount at the beginning as a entirety (CHF42'000).
- I could even imagine that your professor will be interested to pay you an additional salary, e.g. 3500CHF, which will be indeed a very low post-doc salary. But still, with this unusual low salary your professor will save more than 50% of a standard 100% research position! So, in other words, you will be very attractive to him/her, since I never knew a professor who had enough budget available. But of course, the possible additional salary will be gross (count with minus ~18%), and then your tax will be progressively higher!
- But: you will not be allowed to work any other job (except as a post-doc researcher). Not only because the Excellence Scholoships rules say so, but also by law. Nor your wife would be allowed to work, assuming that she will be allowed to accompany you at all (I am not sure about this).
- The public transport travelcard does not entitle you to travel for free, but "only" for the half fare, as it says, and like almost everybody in Switzerland does. It's worth CHF180. But this does not mean that your transport costs will be low. A yearly card for the city of Zurich (only, very advisable) still costs you CHF750 (with or without a half fare card). The half fare card will save you costs for additional journeys, e.g. for single journeys outside of Zurich. See www.sbb.ch

So it can look much better, if you find a professor who likes to employ you, since he/she will have to pay you much less than the usual salary thanks to your scholarship. This rises your chances of course!

So assuming, the professor will pay you the same amont (CHF3500, or even less), then you can count with about CHF5800 net, but excluding taxes (around CHF4500 p.a. see here) On this basis, you can securely live a modest (!), but not a poor life with your family in Switzerland. Of course you eventually find a lot of professors who like to take you for free, from which I fundamentally advise against !

With 3500 netto ... forget it, that's no life!

BUT, I assume, first of all you must find a research job offer by one of the possible professors!

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Re: 3500 CHF salary in Zurich

Ibo,
If you decide (and are allowed to) bring your family with you, make sure you plan to have emergency money aside. You know how it is with kids, you always get unexpected costs (in case of illness, school trips, etc.).

I would suggest to clarify ASAP if you are getting a salary on top of your scholarship. If yes, and if your total monthly income exceeds 5000 CHF gross, I'd go for it if I were you. As mentionned before, it would be tight and modest, but manageable, and a great opportunity, too.

If you get less than that, I would suggest you come alone for a few months, at least. You would keep your modest way of life but would be able to save enough money to visit your family regularly, like once a month. Or even maybe fly them in a few times.

I would also suggest to clarify whether you will have the status of student (with a student card), or not, as it may allow you a lot of advantages.

When I started in Switzerland, I was single and earning 3000 CHF per month. As I was still a student, I could benefit from housing provided by JUWO (cheap flatshares with other students), which brought my housing costs down to something around 500 CHF per month. I have to say I really enjoyed myself.

However, if you are a non-EU citizen, on a short term employment contract, I think there is close to 0% chance you can bring your family with you. This you can clarify with the Human Resources and/or social services of Uni ZH.

Best of luck and let us know what you decide!
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Re: 3500 CHF salary in Zurich

I am guessing as part of the application you have already an adviser in UZH, isn't it? It would be best to contact this person about it.
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He is not a PhD student, but a postdoc, so I am guessing he will not get those benefits.
postdoc gets less benefits than phd, but still some, compared to non-uni-staff. I am sure about that.
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Ibo,....

Best of luck and let us know what you decide!


Hi Ibo
what happened? Did you decide take the position? And what about your wife and children? Budget?
I'd be very interested in learning more. Thanks.
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