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Old 17.02.2015, 09:13
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Old 17.02.2015, 17:00
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Employers are happy to pay Italians less than Chf 2,000 if not well below.

Who has to be blamed the Italians or the Swiss employers?

I found also interesting that Canton Ticino organise conferences to bring Ialian business in Ticino promising low tax. Do they expect low labor cost too or am I missing something?
That was the mayor of Chiasso - made a huge stink and raised a controversy even in the nearby peninsula.
It became rapidly obvious that many "entrepreneurs" were looking for a legit reason to transfer to CH for fiscal reasons, rather than to "invest" in our Canton. The whole project imploded rather quickly thereafter

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Old 17.02.2015, 17:23
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It became rapidly obvious that many "entrepreneurs" were looking for a legit reason to transfer to CH for fiscal reasons, rather than to "invest" in our Canton.
Indeed.

They just move their company to this side of the border, including the employees.

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Re: What's up with Italians in Ticino

Gotta love the Italians :-)
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Old 18.02.2015, 04:37
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Indeed.

They just move their company to this side of the border, including the employees.

Tom

Which is a defacto Investment into the Ticino, And is hopefully good for the Company / companies in question


The traffic situation of course will become worse. Time to urgently start a LUGANO-S-BAHN between Chiasso and Bellinzona
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Old 18.02.2015, 10:10
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Which is a defacto Investment into the Ticino, And is hopefully good for the Company / companies in question
Perhaps, but hardly good for Ticino.

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Re: What's up with Italians in Ticino

I am not seeing Ticino's benefits compared to social costs attached to it.

- Italians are not spending money in Ticino
- Ticinesi salaries cannot compete and may start claiming social benefits which we as taxpayer all pay
- Italian Employees income taxes are credited back to Italian State (a generous % compared to agreements with Germany/Austria/France). Bear in mind that Italians living within 20km radius don't pay any income tax in Italy. Nice for them.
- Traffic increases
- Unhappy Ticinesi

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Which is a defacto Investment into the Ticino, And is hopefully good for the Company / companies in question


The traffic situation of course will become worse. Time to urgently start a LUGANO-S-BAHN between Chiasso and Bellinzona
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Old 18.02.2015, 13:05
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I am not seeing Ticino's benefits compared to social costs attached to it.

- Italians are not spending money in Ticino
- Ticinesi salaries cannot compete and may start claiming social benefits which we as taxpayer all pay
- Italian Employees income taxes are credited back to Italian State (a generous % compared to agreements with Germany/Austria/France). Bear in mind that Italians living within 20km radius don't pay any income tax in Italy. Nice for them.
- Traffic increases
- Unhappy Ticinesi

and so on ....
they collect lots of taxes from the business?
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The traffic situation of course will become worse. Time to urgently start a LUGANO-S-BAHN between Chiasso and Bellinzona
It's called TiLo (as in Ticino-Lombardia) http://www.tilo.ch/ and the north-south connection runs thus: (Airolo-) Biasca - Chiasso - Como - Albate (-Milano)


We're ahead of the game (ehm...sort of)

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Old 18.02.2015, 14:54
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It's called TiLo (as in Ticino-Lombardia) http://www.tilo.ch/ and the north-south connection runs (sometimes) thus: (Airolo-) Biasca - Chiasso - Como - Albate (-Milano)
And usually: (Airolo-) Biasca - Chiasso.

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Re: What's up with Italians in Ticino

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I am not seeing Ticino's benefits compared to social costs attached to it.

- Italians are not spending money in Ticino
- Ticinesi salaries cannot compete and may start claiming social benefits which we as taxpayer all pay
- Italian Employees income taxes are credited back to Italian State (a generous % compared to agreements with Germany/Austria/France). Bear in mind that Italians living within 20km radius don't pay any income tax in Italy. Nice for them.
- Traffic increases
- Unhappy Ticinesi

and so on ....
Who do you think BUY the most of the goods produced in Ticino, the Ticinesi themselves?
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Old 18.02.2015, 16:31
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Who do you think BUY the most of the goods produced in Ticino, the Ticinesi themselves?
Depends.

For wine, cheese, polenta and pork products, yes.

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Old 18.02.2015, 22:13
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italians that live within 20km of switzerland dont pay taxes to italy?
No, only in Switzerland.

However, my wife's cousin lives in Monza, I'll have to ask her tomorrow how it works there.

But, yes, all my ex-collegues who lived near the border only paid taxes here.

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However, my wife's cousin lives in Monza, I'll have to ask her tomorrow how it works there.
i think they pay normal italian taxes while detracting taxes paid in swiss (so no double taxation, but in total they pay the same taxes as other italians).

Btw now they're changing the way frontaliers (<20 km) are taxed and it seems to be pointing towards a splitting system, some 70% of the income will be taxed in switzerland and the remaining in italy with their own fiscal system, instead of all taxed in switzerland and switzerland giving 38,8% to italy.
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Perhaps, but hardly good for Ticino.

Tom




The TICINO depends on outside Investments. It in the early 20thCentury up into the 1970ies was the ARMENHAUS of CH


and NOW, Lugano is one of the more prosperous cities of the Union, Ticinesi in Zürich over the years excelled and are influential

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Re: What's up with Italians in Ticino

From 2018 there will be some changes.

Due to some bilateral agreement back in the 70' Italians don't pay any income tax on Swiss income if they live within 20km

http://www.infoinsubria.com/2011/04/...20-chilometri/

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i think they pay normal italian taxes while detracting taxes paid in swiss (so no double taxation, but in total they pay the same taxes as other italians).

Btw now they're changing the way frontaliers (<20 km) are taxed and it seems to be pointing towards a splitting system, some 70% of the income will be taxed in switzerland and the remaining in italy with their own fiscal system, instead of all taxed in switzerland and switzerland giving 38,8% to italy.

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just traffic and driving then?

EDIT: Italians driving too slow?!
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They drop anchor once they enter CH.

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If by "drop anchor" you mean settle in Ticino, then you shouldn't worry about their "crappy" driving.
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Old 19.02.2015, 19:26
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If by "drop anchor" you mean settle in Ticino, then you shouldn't worry about their "crappy" driving.
No, I mean that they drive very slowly once they enter Switzerland.

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Perhaps, but hardly good for Ticino.

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excellent for Ticino as it improves the Commercial weight and the political clout of the Canton
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Between Ticinesi and Italians is the same love-hate relationship as between the Deutsch-Schweizer and the Germans. And the neighbours are a bit too big and too close for comfort.
Imho the situation is very different.

Whereas Germany is Switzerland's historical enemy, which includes also Germany’s predecessors (with the exception maybe of Prussia in Neuchâtel) and its whole population, also and especially from Germany’s extreme south and the east (Austria).
Nothing like that with regards to the old guarantee of Swiss neutrality (France) or the old ally over the last 25 centuries (Italy). Even in the rare occasions of political tension between Switzerland and Italy, i.e. the Austrian governance in Lombardy before 1861, Italian and Ticinese were allies and fought together important battles against the evil (Austria), e.g. at Peschiera del Garda.
This is very different from anything regarding f** Germans, neoprussians and all that crap coming from over the Northern border.


P.S. The actual tensions with Italian frontalieri, by comparison, are nothing against what a normal person of this Canton feels against those Bernese fools.
Point of reference in cultural matters is allways "Italian" as a way of being,


meanwhile "Deutsch" is nothing like "Swiss"
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