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What's up with Italians in Ticino

Why does everybody hate them (mainly the Frontaliers)? What are the issues?
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Re: What's up with Italians in Ticino

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On a serious note, guess you inlanders are a bit removed from the issues. You need to live near a border region, then you will understand; more or less the same issues in Geneva. Traffic, wage dumping, etc. ..
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Why does everybody hate them (mainly the Frontaliers)? What are the issues?
Clogging up the streets on their way to work/home.

Oh, and they are crappy drivers, usually driving too slow and holding up traffic.

And then of course are the terrun, to which the father of my wife's grandson belongs.

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Re: What's up with Italians in Ticino

just traffic and driving then?

EDIT: Italians driving too slow?!
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On a serious note, guess you inlanders are a bit removed from the issues. You need to live near a border region, then you will understand; more or less the same issues in Geneva.
Umm, isn't Basel near the border?

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Italians driving too slow?!
They drop anchor once they enter CH.

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Umm, isn't Basel near the border?

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yeah, only speaking first hand of the area I know...One could easily add Basel and Jura I guess, but didn't want to go through all possible regions.
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yeah, only speaking first hand of the area I know...One could easily add Basel and Jura I guess, but didn't want to go through all possible regions.
OP lives in Basel.

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Why does everybody hate them (mainly the Frontaliers)? What are the issues?
you have to be kidding.... employers, especially the big int'l conglomerates that are popping up a bit everywhere, love them!

Locals don't really "hate" them... it's just that we feel the pressure on jobs and salaries - now more than ever - and we're left to groan in the piled up traffic of the 50-60 thousand frontiers that inch their way across Como, Varese, Milano & beyond. I can't even imagine what it must be for someone who has to commute daily from the outskirts of say, Milano, and be at work at 8:00... God only knows what time he/she gets back home at night
Oh and by the way, since prices are generally high over here, the frontiers don't eat out that much in the bars and restaurants, but mostly bring their own food from home (can you really blame them?), so they don't contribute directly to the local businesses (but they do generate an interesting amount of taxes for the municipalities, hehe).

BTW this year is the 500th anniversary of the Battle of Marignano, in northern Italy. Interesting story, because it explains how Switzerland came to keep the lands it conquered south of the alps, which then became Ticino.
So I have to laugh when the ticinesi puff their chest talking about their swiss pride... they're just as italian as their brethren on the other side of the fence, ( just better domesticated )

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Re: What's up with Italians in Ticino

I've lived in Schaffhausen and only recently moved to Basel. Never heard the same level of griping from Schaffhausen, though there was, of course, some concern over jobs etc.
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Re: What's up with Italians in Ticino

I heard because they drive down salaries.

But it also seems to me that the Italians are to Ticinese as the Ticinese are to Zuerchers. Maybe an Inferiority/Superiority thing going, but I'm not really certain.
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I have to laugh when the ticinesi puff their chest talking about their swiss pride... they're just as italian as their brethren on the other side of the fence
Slight difference is that Ticinese mostly have Swiss-German blood, whereas Lombardians mostly have German blood.

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it also seems to me that the Italians are to Ticinese as the Ticinese are to Zuerchers.
As are the Zucchini (Swiss-Germans) to Ticinese.

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And then of course are the terrun, to which the father of my wife's grandson belongs.
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As are the Zucchini (Swiss-Germans) to Ticinese.
Oh, a bloody "Papiirlischwizer" is calling me a terrun and a Zucchini in the same thread. I prefer to be called a "Steibocktschingg"...
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Slight difference is that Ticinese mostly have Swiss-German blood, whereas Lombardians mostly have German blood.

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I've lived in Schaffhausen and only recently moved to Basel. Never heard the same level of griping from Schaffhausen, though there was, of course, some concern over jobs etc.
I don't know much about the frontaliers in the swiss-german part - I have the feeling that they're going after middle class jobs (i.e. engineers, doctors, teachers) and therefore aren't really actively engaging in the whole salary dumping spiel (but I could be totally wrong, so pls correct me if this should be the case).

Down here the frontaliers historically have been mostly chipping away at the lower rungs of the salary scale but this has been changing lately, with more clerical posts being filled by cheaper (and in some instances less-skilled) italian workforce. Their advantage is that they're willing to work longer hours for a lower wage, basically - but we're not necessarily talking about an increase in productivity, mind you...

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Re: What's up with Italians in Ticino

This belong to first world problems thread.

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I've lived in Schaffhausen and only recently moved to Basel. Never heard the same level of griping from Schaffhausen, though there was, of course, some concern over jobs etc.
Wait until you meet "the French"....
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Why does everybody hate them (mainly the Frontaliers)? What are the issues?


Between Ticinesi and Italians is the same love-hate relationship as between the Deutsch-Schweizer and the Germans. And the neighbours are a bit too big and too close for comfort.
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Ask Tom

On a serious note, guess you inlanders are a bit removed from the issues. You need to live near a border region, then you will understand; more or less the same issues in Geneva. Traffic, wage dumping, etc. ..

MOST People in Switzerland live CLOSE TO BORDER REGIONS. Cantons on the border include Graubünden, St. Gallen, Thurgau, Schaffhausen, Zürich, Aargau, Basel and most of the Romandie. Downtown Zürich is less than 35 kms from the border, and the outer Suburbs like Eglisau are ON the border
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I've lived in Schaffhausen and only recently moved to Basel. Never heard the same level of griping from Schaffhausen, though there was, of course, some concern over jobs etc.

The "Griping" in Schaffhausen against the SAUSCHWAABE for Ages was fairly harsh, but this was much against the PREISS from upnorth, while the Schaffhausener are friendly and closely linked to those Folks of the Landkreise Konstanz, Singen, etc. --- Baden-Württemberg - Schaffhausen ? Realize that the Schaffhauser had far more sympathies for Protestant (Kingdom of) Württemberg then for the (Grossherzogtum) Baden, and the Dynasty of the HOHENZOLLERN enjoyed quite some sympathies in Schaffhausen. Basically SH never was in a postion to Display as much arrogance towards ist northern neighbours as the GROSSSTADT AM RHEIN (crisscross in German papers)
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Clogging up the streets on their way to work/home.
Dynamite to make those valleys larger would do the trick, but the Ticinesi would find something to rant about that too. One just can't do it right.
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Re: What's up with Italians in Ticino

Employers are happy to pay Italians less than Chf 2,000 if not well below.

Who has to be blamed the Italians or the Swiss employers?

I found also interesting that Canton Ticino organise conferences to bring Ialian business in Ticino promising low tax. Do they expect low labor cost too or am I missing something?

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you have to be kidding.... employers, especially the big int'l conglomerates that are popping up a bit everywhere, love them!

Locals don't really "hate" them... it's just that we feel the pressure on jobs and salaries - now more than ever - and we're left to groan in the piled up traffic of the 50-60 thousand frontiers that inch their way across Como, Varese, Milano & beyond. I can't even imagine what it must be for someone who has to commute daily from the outskirts of say, Milano, and be at work at 8:00... God only knows what time he/she gets back home at night
Oh and by the way, since prices are generally high over here, the frontiers don't eat out that much in the bars and restaurants, but mostly bring their own food from home (can you really blame them?), so they don't contribute directly to the local businesses (but they do generate an interesting amount of taxes for the municipalities, hehe).

BTW this year is the 500th anniversary of the Battle of Marignano, in northern Italy. Interesting story, because it explains how Switzerland came to keep the lands it conquered south of the alps, which then became Ticino.
So I have to laugh when the ticinesi puff their chest talking about their swiss pride... they're just as italian as their brethren on the other side of the fence, ( just better domesticated )

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