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Old 21.02.2015, 23:25
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Why do you assume the OP is a woman?
I remember her selling her rather nice designer shoes (Just checked and def a female)
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Old 21.02.2015, 23:36
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We live across the border in Germany but i am interested if anyone has anyone had this sort of treatment in Switzerland.
You come over here and steal our children's places on football teams
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Old 21.02.2015, 23:36
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toontoon -

anything that goes against the hive mind on this forum gets met with animosity and aggression.

if you write ANYTHING anti-swiss, the only people who will agree with you are expats, everyone else thinks swiss living is 'perfect'.
Thanks for your insight. I'd venture to say more than 95% of the people on this forum are expats. Getting 95% approval isn't bad. So what exactly is your peeve?
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Old 21.02.2015, 23:42
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I remember her selling her rather nice designer shoes (Just checked and def a female)
But you'd have to read the profile or remember his/her posts to know that.

The OP read more like a man's perspective than a woman's to me so I was curious to know why Richdog assumed it was a woman.
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Old 21.02.2015, 23:59
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But you'd have to read the profile or remember his/her posts to know that.

The OP read more like a man's perspective than a woman's to me so I was curious to know why Richdog assumed it was a woman.
It read very much like a womans perspective to me.
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Old 22.02.2015, 00:09
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toontoon -

anything that goes against the hive mind on this forum gets met with animosity and aggression.

if you write ANYTHING anti-swiss, the only people who will agree with you are expats, everyone else thinks swiss living is 'perfect'.

re: your question, anything is possible... if he is ONLY doing it to your kid maybe something is up.
My reaction to this football (or any other team sport played by amateur youths) has nothing to do with nationality - any good coach is probably going to rotate and substitute players in the course of a match, regardless of whether that match is 11 min or a 45-min half.

Yes, perhaps I could have objected the times my son didn't get picked for the starting line-up at his school in England (PLENTY of parents, mostly mumsseemed to think it was a good tactic to complain to the coach or even school head when their child was not put on a certain team) and decided it was because he is Swedish??

Team sports rely on 100% participation - even those on the bench - and at the beginning of a new season the coach is probably trying to get a feel for different players/combos.

Would it better for the OP if other parents thought the girl had been favoured if allowed to play the whole time not because of ability but because she is a girl
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Old 22.02.2015, 10:22
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Re: Anti female or anti English

As this link here shows


http://www.football.ch/de/SFV.aspx


girls and women play in girls and women team.


When I played football in the early 1960ies, women/girls were not in evidence in football anyway


AND here the FRAUEN-FUSSBALL


http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frauenf...in_der_Schweiz


the coach so simply forgot to say that the solution at the moment is just temporary and that he will find a good female football team for her


the coach may be whatever, a Kosovari, a Serbian, an Italian, a Turk, a Lebanese
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Old 22.02.2015, 11:43
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Re: Anti female or anti English

New to Switzerland, I tend to take an old school American (before we stared giving away participation trophies) viewpoint on this and agree with Doc Rivers. "Go earn it."

http://devzone.positivecoach.org/res...e-playing-time

If your daughter wants more playing time, perhaps you could find some time to help her develop her football skills so that they're beyond just "ok."

There's another option, as I coached youth sports in the US. Perhaps you could find a coach that's all about equal playing time to develop players. Not sure they exist in Switzerland, but in a number of our programs, we had the competitive teams and others used for development purposes. At the beginning of each season, the coaches of each team had a conversation with the players and parents to set the expectations. If a kid earned a spot on the competitive team, she needed to continue earning her playing time.

In at least one instance, a kid and parent approached the coaches after that meeting and asked to spend a year on the developmental team (to advance her volleyball skills beyond just "ok."). The next year, she'd earned significantly more playing time...
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Old 22.02.2015, 12:06
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Re: Anti female or anti English

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As this link here shows


http://www.football.ch/de/SFV.aspx


girls and women play in girls and women team.


When I played football in the early 1960ies, women/girls were not in evidence in football anyway


AND here the FRAUEN-FUSSBALL


http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frauenf...in_der_Schweiz


the coach so simply forgot to say that the solution at the moment is just temporary and that he will find a good female football team for her
These are little kids.

All the games that my son has played in have been mixed teams including tournaments for schools in the whole town and at an older age than the OP's child.

You can keep quoting your experiences in restaurants in the 1970s and football in the sixties but things really have moved on from then.


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the coach may be whatever, a Kosovari, a Serbian, an Italian, a Turk, a Lebanese
What the hell's that supposed to imply?

The only thing I could read into it is that people of those nationalities are a lot more progressive and forward thinking than the Swiss.
Is that what you meant? I somehow doubt it.

You really are doing the Swiss a lot of discredit on this forum.
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Old 22.02.2015, 12:18
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As this link here shows


http://www.football.ch/de/SFV.aspx


girls and women play in girls and women team.


When I played football in the early 1960ies, women/girls were not in evidence in football anyway


AND here the FRAUEN-FUSSBALL


http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frauenf...in_der_Schweiz


the coach so simply forgot to say that the solution at the moment is just temporary and that he will find a good female football team for her


the coach may be whatever, a Kosovari, a Serbian, an Italian, a Turk, a Lebanese
Things have moved on a bit since the 1960s Wolli.

Football teams can be mixed up to a certain age these days (14 is the age that springs to mind but I'd have to double check that) and there are relatively few all girl teams for young children ( as in the case of the OP whose daughter is six).
It's usually only the girls who are seriously interested in pursuing football at a later stage who join the girls teams.
When my son was playing football back in Belgium most if the teams had a couple if girls in them ( and he was 10 when we left)

Not really sure what the nationality of the coach has to do with anything. The OP never mentioned the nationality of the coach just that they were playing in Germany.

My brother has been coaching kids football teams for many years and he believes in giving all if them a chance to play irrespective of how good they are so the players are always rotated. The OP's daughter had the chance to play for half of the game in each of the four they played which doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
He says that one of the best players they ever had was a girl and they were all gutted when she had to leave to play in a girls team due to her age.

Edit: due to my incredibly slow typing post crossed with Tom's.
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Old 22.02.2015, 12:38
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The OP read more like a man's perspective than a woman's to me
Definitely written from a woman's perspective to me.

Men don't normally write long, rambling posts about things that happen in other countries.

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Old 22.02.2015, 12:44
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But you'd have to read the profile or remember his/her posts to know that.

The OP read more like a man's perspective than a woman's to me so I was curious to know why Richdog assumed it was a woman.
OMG, I agree with him! I should start worrying..
OP sounds like an obsessed mom, Richdog is right. I've rarely seen this kind of behaviour of being extra-proud, extra-protective as in walking on corpses to save the little darling from a good embarrassment of being told off in men. There.. please don't shoot now..
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Re: Anti female or anti English

Dear Toontoon

Just wait til you compare your daughter's salary with a man in a similar position's salary 25 years from now.

That's where real inequality happens.

Have a good day and welcome to life.
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As this link here shows


http://www.football.ch/de/SFV.aspx


girls and women play in girls and women team.


When I played football in the early 1960ies, women/girls were not in evidence in football anyway


AND here the FRAUEN-FUSSBALL


http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frauenf...in_der_Schweiz


the coach so simply forgot to say that the solution at the moment is just temporary and that he will find a good female football team for her


the coach may be whatever, a Kosovari, a Serbian, an Italian, a Turk, a Lebanese
Bravo Wolli,

sexist and racist in one short post.

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Old 22.02.2015, 13:34
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I remember her selling her rather nice designer shoes (Just checked and def a female)
Was Jimmy Choo a female ? Or Christian Laboutin for that matter.....
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Old 22.02.2015, 13:42
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Definitely written from a woman's perspective to me.

Men don't normally write long, rambling posts about things that happen in other countries.

Tom
You might have a point there although I've seen plenty of long rambling posts by men in here.

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OMG, I agree with him! I should start worrying..
OP sounds like an obsessed mom, Richdog is right. I've rarely seen this kind of behaviour of being extra-proud, extra-protective as in walking on corpses to save the little darling from a good embarrassment of being told off in men. There.. please don't shoot now..
You obviously haven't been to many kids football matches then.

If I had a pound for every dad who thought he knew better and went and had a go at the coach because he hadn't treated their kid right I'd be very rich by now.
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Re: Anti female or anti English

OP. Maybe next time you should record the match and let us objectively judge the situation, My bet is, you being the mother have bias towards your daughter, though it is very likely the coach could have been racist/sexist. I guess we'll never know.
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I remember her selling her rather nice designer shoes (Just checked and def a female)
Or RuPaul.
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My daughter who is six had her first football tournament this morning.
She goes to football training once a week when the schools are on.
This was the second tournament this year, the team had two teams in the first tournament but my daughter was not picked ( my daughter is the fastest of all the players and at football skills she is ok, not better or worse than the others but she does have speed), the first two teams were very German names. At training there is a right mix and match of nationalities.

So this tournament she is picked, only one team this time, they play four games of eleven minutes. The team has two subs for the first game and one sub for the last three games coz the keeper got a smack in the face in the first game. My daughter is the only girl in the team and the only non German (English).

So game one my daughter starts and is taken off after 6mins, i think ok everyone has to have a game.
Game two she is again taken off after 6mins, i think ok mmm.
Game three she lasts 7 mins and again taken off, now i start to think something is not right, as i said she is no better or worse than the others but she does have speed, coz she is fast (she also does athletics)
Game four she is again taken off after 7 mins, now i think the trainer is taking the piss, he either is anti English or does not like girls playing football, so i have a pop at him, i ask him "do you not like girls playing football" no no i am trying my best and so on bollocks, so i then tell how strange you take the only girl off in every match , its does not look right, oh if you can do better you do the coaching and so on, but this is bullshit.

We live across the border in Germany but i am interested if anyone has anyone had this sort of treatment in Switzerland.


P.S. they lost the first three games and drew the last
As I see not comments by the coach about your daughter being British or a girl, what would you say if this happened in the UK?
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Re: Anti female or anti English

In the UK, the attitude will vary hugely from club to club, and coach to coach (as anywhere, I'd imagine). At the club where my (boy and girl) grand-children play rugby, they have a very open attitude, and have made the decision to allow all children to play more or less equal time, irrespective of anything, including talent and ability. That means that for fixtures and tournaments, they often to do put forward the best possible team, as they want all children to have a chance to play. Some of the coaches are women too- and keen to ensure the girls get a fair chance. This attitude is fairly rare though- and several clubs only put forward their best players, time and time again- and often cheat with the age group too- putting older children in teams, and unfairly get away with it.

I actually believe Wollis nationality comment was not racist at all- but simply meant that just because someone is coaching in Germany, does not mean s/he is German at all. At my grandkids' club in the UK, parents, kids and coaches come from all over the world, due to London location- so varying attitudes have nothing to do with nationality!

Here in CH, we started one of the first girls' ice-hockey team in 1965- but were never allowed to play with the boys, despite being very fast and skilled. The hockey team trainer was Canadian, and was very keen to support our team. It was difficult to get fixtures, as there were so few in Switzerland then!

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