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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

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My mother was always very slim, and in her latter years a little bag of bones- smoked 30 a day or more from age 15 to 94.
My great-aunt as well, but only 3 a day, until she passed away some months ago at 102.

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Old 04.03.2015, 21:22
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

Hey moderators - please can you delete my nasty stuff too from this thread too?
Or do you only delete obnoxious, personal stuff that smokers have written?
(Ones that keep banging on that they aren't militant smokers)

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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

I don't have anything helpful to add to the discussion, but the smokers among you should be warned that this pregnant lady commutes by train daily and is just about ready to start punching people in the head when she's jammed on an escalator full of people next to someone (actually, multiple someones) who is so pathetically addicted that they line up to be the first out the door of the Zurich-Basel train with their fingers shaking and their cigarette ready to be lit up.

Smokers, you suck.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

I see this topic is heading in the proper direction
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

some things and others you like, or you do not.
That's life. That's your choice.

Fight for yer rights!
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

Perhaps when they sell nicotine for the vapo cigs peeps will be happy. But i have heard they make you throw up.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

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I don't have anything helpful to add to the discussion, but the smokers among you should be warned that this pregnant lady commutes by train daily and is just about ready to start punching people in the head when she's jammed on an escalator full of people next to someone (actually, multiple someones) who is so pathetically addicted that they line up to be the first out the door of the Zurich-Basel train with their fingers shaking and their cigarette ready to be lit up.

Smokers, you suck.
What a sad existence if someone is that addicted to this poison.

I find it sad that the cigarette company's are forced to put a scan of a baby on the cigarette packet to discourage pregnant woman from smoking.
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Perhaps when they sell nicotine for the vapo cigs peeps will be happy. But i have heard they make you throw up.
And that's a valid reason not to use them?

I've heard that cigarettes give you various cancers, cause heart disease and other ailments.
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And that's a valid reason not to use them?

I've heard that cigarettes give you various cancers, cause heart disease and other ailments.
I think there is not enough data about what pure nicotine (no tar and other nasty stuff like in regular cigarettes) does to human organism. But there is also not enough data about the impact of e-cigarettes on health. So people "smoking" them should also be careful. But I really wish that the binge smokers could switch to e-cigarettes... World would become a little bit better place.
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Old 05.03.2015, 09:38
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I think there is not enough data about what pure nicotine (no tar and other nasty stuff like in regular cigarettes) does to human organism.
425,000 scholarly articles and papers not enough for you?

Précis: nicotine is not good for humans.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

From a metacognitive point of view:

I would rather be with a smoker who is enjoyable to be around than with a non-smoker who's a jerk.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

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I don't have anything helpful to add to the discussion, but the smokers among you should be warned that this pregnant lady commutes by train daily and is just about ready to start punching people in the head when she's jammed on an escalator full of people next to someone (actually, multiple someones) who is so pathetically addicted that they line up to be the first out the door of the Zurich-Basel train with their fingers shaking and their cigarette ready to be lit up.

Smokers, you suck.

We don't need your gratuitous violence here thankyou
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

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nicotine is not good for humans.
Nicotine itself is addictive, but not harmful or at least not carcinogen, not at the amount that is in an average cigarette anyway.

What is (potentially) harmful is the hundreds of additives in cigarettes.
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I don't have anything helpful to add to the discussion, but the smokers among you should be warned that this pregnant lady commutes by train daily and is just about ready to start punching people in the head when she's jammed on an escalator full of people next to someone (actually, multiple someones) who is so pathetically addicted that they line up to be the first out the door of the Zurich-Basel train with their fingers shaking and their cigarette ready to be lit up.

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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

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Nicotine itself is addictive, but not harmful or at least not carcinogen.... .
Not directly part of this discussion but actually it is as it hardens the arteries and also promotes tumour growth.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

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My great-aunt as well, but only 3 a day, until she passed away some months ago at 102.

Tom
It is often stated that each cigarette takes 6mins off your life.

102-16 = 86years * 365 * 3 = 94170 cigarettes - or 565,020 minutes reduced from her life.
OR 9417 hours
OR 392.375 days

She could have reached 103 years old!!! She died before her time
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425,000 scholarly articles and papers not enough for you?

Précis: nicotine is not good for humans.
No, I was talking about long term impact of e-cigarettes on human health. They are on the market for too short time to properly assess and too few people smoke them to have good sample. Their market is not even regulated properly yet.
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No, I was talking about long term impact of e-cigarettes on human health. They are on the market for too short time to properly assess and too few people smoke them to have good sample. Their market is not even regulated properly yet.
E-cigarettes are for sure not 100% healthy, however they have a ****load less chemicals then tobacco, around 100x less (and likely more) according to a recent study.

So, as a rough rule, take the long-term effects of tobacco and divide by a magnitude of 100.

The point is they are much less dangerous, don't smell or taste like crap, and make it much easier to quit than just smoking cigarettes.
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E-cigarettes are for sure not 100% healthy, however they have a ****load less chemicals then tobacco, around 100x less (and likely more) according to a recent study.

So, as a rough rule, take the long-term effects of tobacco and divide by a magnitude of 100.

The point is they are much less dangerous, don't smell or taste like crap, and make it much easier to quit than just smoking cigarettes.
They may be a good way to stop smoking real cigarettes but they're not a good way to quit nictotine dependency as they still give the user that instant nictotine hit and it would be difficult to control a gradual nictotine reduction process as you can with gum or patches.

As you suggest -they're probably safer than smoking real cigarettes for those with no desire to give up their nicotine hit.
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They may be a good way to stop smoking real cigarettes but they're not a good way to quit nictotine dependency as they still give the user that instant nictotine hit and it would be difficult to control a gradual nictotine reduction process as you can with gum or patches.

As you suggest -they're probably safer than smoking real cigarettes for those with no desire to give up their nicotine hit.
Multiple recent studies and patient feedback state that are a good way of quitting cigarettes and giving up nicotine dependency, some links were already provided earlier in this thread.
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