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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

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This link has a nice but incomplete list of per capita consumption and price per pack (you can sort it by clicking on the column headers). The data is also bit dated as its from 2008-2009.
According to this list Japanese smoke even more than Swiss. But we know that the Japanese are one of the most, if not the most healthiest society on this planet!
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It's like the 1970s here.
And thankfully so.

My favorite decade.

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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

Wow, what a collection of false crap!

Hardly one of your statement will hold up if you would really check them seriously than just screeming. And I am really not in the mood to falsify them just for your pleasure.


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Smoking is an essential part of CH economics and as such it must be one of the most "free" countries in Europe in terms of advertising ( where else can you still advertise in cinemas ?) , places to smoke eg train stations, many sports stadiums are classed as OK and second hand smoke is just something I should not have enjoy : very few people deal with my second hand Shiraz..


but back to the economic argument
Taxes are raised on sales of cigarettes : hence they are priced relatively low to disposable income in this country


illness caused by smoking cause no pain to tax payments as system is predominantly privately funded : much of this money goes into people employed in system who pay taxes, or to big pharma who pay some taxes, and in infrastructure costs which employ more people . Bad news is non smokers here pay an unfair contribution here but not to detriment of government/kanton/gemeinde finance


people die early meaning pension expenditure is controlled : I mean in a country obsessed with outdoor life and so many pensioners still speed climbing the Eiger : how else do you ensure your population dies at an economically viable age ( this also help keep private pension schemes funded as well as not creating a large government expenditure) and put it down to "choice" : the Logan's Run version is just so un PC


So for all us non smokers out there ... keep going guys but would be nice if you could do it in your own enclosed spaces and perhaps avoid putting too much strain on Krankenkasse


I say this as someone who lost their long smoking grandfather to lung cancer ( 20 years earlier than any of the other grandparents : 2 of which ran a pub for 20 years ...)
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I don't think people really care. It's a mindset. No one else minded the that the smokers were smoking.
It's like the 1970s here.

Most people DO care about smokers smoking in central places and openly comment and openly discuss


And like in the 70ies things clearly are not. Those were times when at least 40% of people DID smoke, when the SBB had smokers waggons , and smokers could smoke in the restaurants
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Most people DO care about smokers smoking in central places and openly comment and openly discuss


And like in the 70ies things clearly are not. Those were times when at least 40% of people DID smoke, when the SBB had smokers wagons , and smokers could smoke in the restaurants
I wrote about the mindset of people. The fact that there are so many ways to get around the ban in bars and restaurants and that no-one really cares, and that this hasn't happened in other countries with similar bans is why I wrote what I did.

I'm not sure why they got rid of the smokers' wagons on trains. Did people vote for that with their direct democracy?
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And thankfully so.

My favorite decade.

Tom
Well we all smoked in the Lycée in the 60s- but then most of us realised how stupid, unhealthy, asocial and expensive it was- and grew up (stopped smoking in the 70s when I had our children).
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Of course you do. You also have the right to stand still while being attacked by a poorly-trained labrador, or while trees are being brought down by a gale, but only an idiot would do so.

The Argument and Comparison is bad. When in danger of being attacked by ANY animal (Dogs, wolves, bears, etc) to run away does not make any sense unless a useful position can be reached in seconds. You HAVE TO stand still. Beside the Point that most Labrador-Dogs are nice and charming. And when being out, observe nature. Trees do NOT collapse in a Minute. You can see it and you can hear it
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Smoking is an essential part of CH economics and as such it must be one of the most "free" countries in Europe in terms of advertising ( where else can you still advertise in cinemas ?) , places to smoke eg train stations, many sports stadiums are classed as OK and second hand smoke is just something I should not have enjoy : very few people deal with my second hand Shiraz..


but back to the economic argument
Taxes are raised on sales of cigarettes : hence they are priced relatively low to disposable income in this country


illness caused by smoking cause no pain to tax payments as system is predominantly privately funded : much of this money goes into people employed in system who pay taxes, or to big pharma who pay some taxes, and in infrastructure costs which employ more people . Bad news is non smokers here pay an unfair contribution here but not to detriment of government/kanton/gemeinde finance


people die early meaning pension expenditure is controlled : I mean in a country obsessed with outdoor life and so many pensioners still speed climbing the Eiger : how else do you ensure your population dies at an economically viable age ( this also help keep private pension schemes funded as well as not creating a large government expenditure) and put it down to "choice" : the Logan's Run version is just so un PC


So for all us non smokers out there ... keep going guys but would be nice if you could do it in your own enclosed spaces and perhaps avoid putting too much strain on Krankenkasse


I say this as someone who lost their long smoking grandfather to lung cancer ( 20 years earlier than any of the other grandparents : 2 of which ran a pub for 20 years ...)

I lost my own dearly beloved mother-in-law (a really sweet old lady) because of a young drunken driver.


Alcohol should cost MUCH more, and be more strictly controlled as to amounts one is able to purchase, how much you may store in house, and limits on consumption in bars and restaurants. Perhaps the age to consume could also be raised to over 45 at least, or perhaps to only those whose children have been successfully raised, are employed, and have left home.


Oh yes, and also to be able to purchase alcohol one must be gainfully employed in a permanent position.


Perhaps the same laws could be implemented for tobacco buying.


Could be extended to motor vehicle purchases/use, to limit the dangerous Co2 emissions, and road congestion.


More laws. We need more laws, and much more strict laws to help us all control ourselves.
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Old 01.03.2015, 15:58
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

If I may throw in my 2 rappen....

I don't think smoking in public areas is acceptable, and I am constantly struggling to break the habit when in Europe. Anywhere else in the world I am not faced with it constantly in my face, thus the temptation is diminished. I am not saying I smell a cigarette at 8 in the morning and think, "Oh yeah, gimme some of that", but it is not as frowned upon here as it is in say, Australia.

BUT.....

This is a forum full of foreigners, and smoking is part of Swiss culture. It is another one of the Swiss quirks, and for people to come in here and say they are disgusted and it is bad manners is questionable in itself. If I were a Swiss person having my morning ciggy washed down with Redbull and some "Auslander" came up to me and told me in English to put it out I doubt I would be impressed.
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If I may throw in my 2 rappen....

I don't think smoking in public areas is acceptable, and I am constantly struggling to break the habit when in Europe. Anywhere else in the world I am not faced with it constantly in my face, thus the temptation is diminished. I am not saying I smell a cigarette at 8 in the morning and think, "Oh yeah, gimme some of that", but it is not as frowned upon here as it is in say, Australia.

BUT.....

This is a forum full of foreigners, and smoking is part of Swiss culture. It is another one of the Swiss quirks, and for people to come in here and say they are disgusted and it is bad manners is questionable in itself. If I were a Swiss person having my morning ciggy washed down with Redbull and some "Auslander" came up to me and told me in English to put it out I doubt I would be impressed.
There are a high proportion of smokers here, but smoking is as much a part of Swiss culture as it is anywhere else... the majority of people do not smoke, have no intention of smoking and find it gross, or smoke and want to stop. That's not really any different to many Western countries, and I would say hardly anything that defines Swiss culture. I have in fact never heard any Swiss person make any reference to smoking as anything to identify with Swiss culture. The fact is Switzerland, like with many things, has simply been very slow to publicly condemn smoking as the guaranteed health hazard that we know it is. However not so slow that they haven't banned smoking in the vast majority of bars and restaurants etc, for which I am eternally grateful.

If we all (including the Swiss) as intelligent people, know full well that cigarette smoke is harmful to others around us, then we have an unspoken duty not to subject people to it unnecessarily. It all boils down to whether or not you give a damn.

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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

Nah, I use flatulence as a defence mechanism. A few loud brussels-sprout-assisted trouser coughs is enough to get the bus shelter cleared of all but the most determined chimneys.


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They're allowed to and they want to.

At present there really is only one answer for you.

Tough and deal with it.
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There are a high proportion of smokers here, but smoking is as much a part of Swiss culture as it is anywhere else... the majority of people do not smoke, have no intention of smoking and find it gross, or smoke and want to stop. That's not really any different to many Western countries, and I would say hardly anything that defines Swiss culture. I have in fact never heard any Swiss person make any reference to smoking as anything to identify with Swiss culture. The fact is Switzerland, like with many things, has simply been very slow to publicly condemn smoking as the guaranteed health hazard that we know it is. However not so slow that they haven't banned smoking in the vast majority of bars and restaurants etc, for which I am eternally grateful.

If we all (including the Swiss) as intelligent people, know full well that cigarette smoke is harmful to others around us, then we have an unspoken duty not to subject people to it unnecessarily. It all boils down to whether or not you give a damn.

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I didn't say it defines it, it is just a small aspect. We all know Swiss culture is defined by The Matterhorn, banks, chocolate and public transport.

It is one of the few things the Swiss are relaxed about.

I see you are still posting a shit load

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Well I just tried my first cigarettes (worst mistake I've ever made!) a week ago thanks to my swiss friend, apparently they somke weed with tobacco...
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Wow, what a collection of false crap!

Hardly one of your statement will hold up if you would really check them seriously than just screeming. And I am really not in the mood to falsify them just for your pleasure.

Not sure I am screaming ... But your tactic seems to be : shouting down with no evidence . Please spend some time falsifying the facts in my original text below :


well
fact : ciggie adverts still allowed in cinemas : where else in developed world ?


fact : sales tax on cigarettes yes/no


fact : smoking makes you ill yes/no
health service is privately funded yes/no
health service employs people who pay tax yes/no
pharma supplies health service yes/no


fact : people who smoke tend to die early yes/no


Bring on your stats as we all know these prove everything : as I will happily enjoy reading your truths

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This is a forum full of foreigners, and smoking is part of Swiss culture. It is another one of the Swiss quirks, and for people to come in here and say they are disgusted and it is bad manners is questionable in itself. If I were a Swiss person having my morning ciggy washed down with Redbull and some "Auslander" came up to me and told me in English to put it out I doubt I would be impressed.
My wife's Swiss - she can't stand it.

I'm trying to get my Swiss kids to understand that it's cool to smoke and it's the done thing in Switzerland when they get a few years older. After all, they see it everywhere and it's pretty socially acceptable.

It's just the case that in those countries where smoking has decreased, the uptake of smoking as a habit amongst youngsters has also decreased.

So yes, I'm not Swiss but my kids are and they live here so I don't honestly care if a local is impressed or not if they all start smoking in an enclosed space with my kids.

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My wife's Swiss - she can't stand it.

I'm trying to get my Swiss kids to understand that it's cool to smoke and it's the done thing in Switzerland when they get a few years older. After all, they see it everywhere and it's pretty socially acceptable.

It's just the case that in those countries where smoking has decreased, the uptake of smoking as a habit amongst youngsters has also decreased.

So yes, I'm not Swiss but my kids are and they live here so I don't honestly don't care if a local is impressed or not if they all start smoking in an enclosed space with my kids.
I'm totally confused by your post; the double negative (and lack of expected negation elsewhere) kind of threw me off. You want your kids to smoke, and there's something about locals being impressed by smoking with your kids, is that it?
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

Yeap! I came from Brazil that is a really underdeveloped country with many social problem but this matter is really in control there. And here makes me really worried with my daughter because of all the teenager smoking. I hope she choose wisely.
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Ooh look my favourite subject!!

I shall now light a cig, pour myself a glass of wine and go back to page one and read and not put on my "smokers have rights too" hat.
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If only parents were allowed to advise their children about the bad things in life. It's terrible that the government won't create laws that will fill the gap. How's a child supposed to cope by themselves?
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