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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

I believe it is common courtesy not to smoke around children, pregnant women, schools, hospitals, bus stops and so on and so forth, but it blows my top when people try to patronize me and try to keep me from smoking in general, be it by overpriced cigarettes or constant preaching about how harmful it is.
Let me tell you one thing: people who smoke KNOW it is dangerous for their health, but for some perverted reason they enjoy it.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

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Nah, I use flatulence as a defence mechanism. A few loud brussels-sprout-assisted trouser coughs is enough to get the bus shelter cleared of all but the most determined chimneys.
More legislation, risk assessments and method statement required.

Toxic Methane emissions and naked flames in a slightly confined space has potential for tragedy.

Won't anyone think of the children.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

It's back to the old subject, I do not smoke inside the bus shelter, I respect non smokers etc. I do not blow smoke in their faces etc etc etc.

The original OP is actually complaining because someone made him smoke a joint. Hey, you are an adult and can chose what you put in your mouth and suck.

I am a smoker, i love smoking - i do not infringe my smoke on anyone. I know i shall die one day, i may get run over by the bus at the bus stop where i am standing in the rain smoking my wet cig. Who knows?

This subject has been discussed and discussed to ad fineum.

There will never be a solution.

So, i shall leave the ex smokers and non smokers alone. And would appreciate they did the same for me.
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It's back to the old subject, I do not smoke inside the bus shelter, I respect non smokers etc. I do not blow smoke in their faces etc etc etc.

The original OP is actually complaining because someone made him smoke a joint. Hey, you are an adult and can chose what you put in your mouth and suck.

I am a smoker, i love smoking - i do not infringe my smoke on anyone. I know i shall die one day, i may get run over by the bus at the bus stop where i am standing in the rain smoking my wet cig. Who knows?

This subject has been discussed and discussed to ad fineum.

There will never be a solution.

So, i shall leave the ex smokers and non smokers alone. And would appreciate they did the same for me.
Actually there are solutions, and they are being implemented... hence banning of smoking in public places in many countries. Tobacco is now slowly being phased out of the public domain, and good riddance.
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It's back to the old subject, I do not smoke inside the bus shelter, I respect non smokers etc. I do not blow smoke in their faces etc etc etc.
In my day we used to shag in the bus sheleter


(We only smoked when we went to quick !!!!!!!!!!!)
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

My question to smokers are, why they started to smoke in the first place? It's not like it's something that tastes or feels nice at first, so one would need to voluntarily force themselves to smoke, knowing that this addiction will cost them a fortune financially and damage their health and the people who will be passive smoking.

Taking the above into consideration, why would anyone go against the grain to take up smoking still baffles me.

Those smokers in bus stops and train stations could extend the same courtesy to their fellow commuters in the same way they wouldn't smoke in their houses whilst their families are in the house.
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My question to smokers are, why they started to smoke in the first place? It's not like it's something that tastes or feels nice at first, so one would need to voluntarily force themselves to smoke, knowing that this addiction will cost them a fortune financially and damage their health and the people who will be passive smoking.
You drink wine or beer? Remember the first glass you had?
If everyone only behaved rationally this would be a completely different world and now I am not talking about smoking
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You drink wine or beer? Remember the first glass you had?
If everyone only behaved rationally this would be a completely different world and now I am not talking about smoking
No I don't drink beer or wine, because it tastes and smells rank (experimented) and the negative effects that's mentioned earlier.

Wine, what a waste of brilliant tasting and healthy fruit.

Cider, what a waste of good and healthy tasting fruit.
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And like in the 70ies things clearly are not. Those were times when at least 40% of people DID smoke, when the SBB had smokers waggons , and smokers could smoke in the restaurants
Ah, the good old days.

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I believe it is common courtesy not to smoke around children, pregnant women, schools, hospitals, bus stops and so on and so forth, but it blows my top when people try to patronize me and try to keep me from smoking in general, be it by overpriced cigarettes or constant preaching about how harmful it is.
You can believe what you want but what you describe is not what the majority of Swiss feel.

If they are told, by law, that they shouldn't smoke in restaurants then the majority won't but otherwise it's absolutely fine to smoke.

I would have thought it was common courtesy for middle-aged blokes not to push in front of families with children in the queue for a ski lift but it's fair game here.

Not all countries are the same.


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Let me tell you one thing: people who smoke KNOW it is dangerous for their health, but for some perverted reason they enjoy it.
Actually I think you'll find it's called an addiction. They actually enjoy relieving the cravings of their addiction.

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I'm totally confused by your post; the double negative (and lack of expected negation elsewhere) kind of threw me off. You want your kids to smoke, and there's something about locals being impressed by smoking with your kids, is that it?
Yes sorry, I forgot to add the sarcasm quotes.

I really don't want my children to become life-long smokers. I expect they'll try the odd cigarette here and there when they're older but I've seen too many people I know die of lung cancer and how could I wish that upon my own children?
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My question to smokers are, why they started to smoke in the first place? It's not like it's something that tastes or feels nice at first.
Actually, it does.

But then I moved back to the US and couldn't get Gaulois unfiltereds anymore, so I quit.

Most cigarettes are tasteless crap these days, which is why I only smoke good Cuban cigars from time to time, often going months or years in between smokes

However, I'm looking forward to trying the home-grown this year.

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Actually I think you'll find it's called an addiction. They actually enjoy relieving the cravings of their addiction.
That might be true for chain smokers. I enjoy on in the morning (gives me a real flush to go) and one after dinner and sometimes one with a drink at night. I call that enjoying and relaxing.
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I believe it is common courtesy not to smoke around children, pregnant women, schools, hospitals, bus stops and so on and so forth, but it blows my top when people try to patronize me and try to keep me from smoking in general, be it by overpriced cigarettes or constant preaching about how harmful it is.
Let me tell you one thing: people who smoke KNOW it is dangerous for their health, but for some perverted reason they enjoy it.
I'm a passionate non-smoker. And I fully respect your right and choice (although, let's face it, it isn't completely a free choice once you're hooked) to smoke, as long as you don't affect others around you. I find that most smokers get that last bit -- they don't smoke in crowded areas, they don't smoke in non-smokers' homes, they're careful not to blow smoke at others nearby.

But what most smokers don't seem to get is that governments tax cigarettes and take other actions to try to decrease rates of smoking not because they are concerned about the health and wellbeing of individuals who choose to smoke, but because of the crippling cost of smoking to society as a whole. You may think that lighting up and enjoying a cigarette or two in the privacy of your own home harms no one but yourself, but it is a well-documented and well-accepted fact that smokers impose a huge burden on taxpayers, whether through lost productivity due to sick days and smoking breaks, increased healthcare costs throughout their lives and especially at the end of their lives (costs which are borne by the state and in Switzerland by all citizens, through increased health insurance premiums), or injury to the health of others around them (in the case of those few smokers who still disregard the comfort of non-smokers around them).

A study (see attachment) commissioned by the Swiss Federal Office of Public Health and conducted by the University of Neuchătel in 1995 concluded that the costs of smoking in Switzerland amounted to more CHF 10 billion. (It's an old study, but I'm pretty sure the principles haven't changed.) Here's the summary of the report of that study:

"The study on the social cost of smoking in Switzerland commissioned by the Swiss Federal Office of Public Health reaches the following conclusions:
  • in 1995, smoking-related health disorders caused a total cost of CHF 10.0 billion, or 2.75% of GDP; the cost of smoking was a heavier burden for society than the cost of road accidents (CHF 6.7 billion in 1994);
  • the time periods of professional working incapacity caused by illness or disability as well as the years of life lost due to premature deaths led to a reduction in net production and income of more than CHF 2.2 billion;
  • net loss of production with regard to domestic chores was estimated at CHF 1.6 billion;
  • the intangible costs, i.e. the deterioration in the quality of life of the disabled and the sick; their physical and mental suffering as well as the grief and resentment of the relatives and friends of a sick person or of a person who has died prematurely - amounted to CHF 5.0 billion;
  • the 5 million devoted annually to smoking prevention account for 0.05% of the social cost of smoking;
  • all costs were valued very prudently and the consequences of second-hand smoking were not taken into account."
That's why people (and the government) try to patronize you and try to keep you from smoking in general. It's also why helmets are compulsory for motorcyclists here -- a dead or brain-damaged motorbike rider is more expensive to the state than one that continues to contribute to GDP.

Cynical, but that's life.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

But when it comes down to that then my idea of rasing the prices for candy and chocolate at 300% is not so daft, after all, as somebody stated earlier, if you think of all the illnesses connected to obesity. Or alcoholic beverages if you think about what it does to your brain cells or your liver which cost so much to treat. Or people who ride motorbikes/have dangerous hobbies/fly planes, they should all be taxed according to the threat they pose to the social system. You see, it does not work, really, you would have to make a lot of people pay a lot more money into social security, if that is your argument.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

And think of all the lovely taxes the government charges on ciggies? If everyone stopped now, that would be a huge drain on taxes
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But when it comes down to that then my idea of rasing the prices for candy and chocolate at 300% is not so daft, after all, as somebody stated earlier, if you think of all the illnesses connected to obesity. Or alcoholic beverages if you think about what it does to your brain cells or your liver which cost so much to treat. Or people who ride motorbikes/have dangerous hobbies/fly planes, they should all be taxed according to the threat they pose to the social system. You see, it does not work, really, you would have to make a lot of people pay a lot more money into social security, if that is your argument.
You're at least partially correct. The fact is, though, that the societal costs due to smoking are directly and fairly easily calculable, and those responsible for causing the costs are easy targets for compensation (or prevention). Obesity, to take your example, is another major health concern but chocolate is not easily linked to it; how many people are admitted to hospital with chocolate-related diseases? How many people consume excessive amounts of chocolate? To complicate matters further, chocolate consumption in moderation actually has mildly beneficial effects to health, especially mental health.

Many people who engage in dangerous hobbies -- wingsuit flyers, BASE jumpers, shark riders (I made that one up ... I think) -- experience a sort of binary outcome: they have a good day at the office, or they die. Either way, they don't have much of a negative effect on the public purse. And their numbers are small.

There are millions of smokers costing the public billions of CHF. As long as they continue to be happy to hand over billions of CHF to keep smoking, the government will continue to target them.

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And think of all the lovely taxes the government charges on ciggies? If everyone stopped now, that would be a huge drain on taxes
Not as huge as the current (and future increased) drain on the public purse.

There is one upside, though -- smoking is protective against Alzheimer's Disease.
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And think of all the lovely taxes the government charges on ciggies? If everyone stopped now, that would be a huge drain on taxes
That's hardly a realistic scenario though, is it?

Has that happened anywhere in the world? No?
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Yes sorry, I forgot to add the sarcasm quotes.

I really don't want my children to become life-long smokers. I expect they'll try the odd cigarette here and there when they're older but I've seen too many people I know die of lung cancer and how could I wish that upon my own children?
I got, or at least assumed, the sarcasm part, but then got all confused by the double-don't later on (actually that sentence made no sense at all). Anyway, I've managed to work out which side of the fence you're on now.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

Nope, but neither is this discussion going to change anyone`s opinion
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