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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

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Nope, but neither is this discussion going to change anyone`s opinion
It won't stop anyone smoking, but hopefully it will help smokers to understand why other people sometimes object to their "choice".
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That might be true for chain smokers. I enjoy on in the morning (gives me a real flush to go) and one after dinner and sometimes one with a drink at night. I call that enjoying and relaxing.
As a matter of interest, have you ever tried not smoking for an extended period, just to see what that would be like?

A friend of mine has given up smoking many times in the last couple of years.
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Old 01.03.2015, 22:04
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

Oh yes, at day 3 people bring me cigarettes and beg me to start smoking again......
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

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My question to smokers are, why they started to smoke in the first place? It's not like it's something that tastes or feels nice at first, so one would need to voluntarily force themselves to smoke, knowing that this addiction will cost them a fortune financially and damage their health and the people who will be passive smoking.
Smoking does feel nice, even if it doesn't taste nice. I, like most people, started smoking at a time when I didn't understand, or give a toots about the future ramifications or consequences. Once it becomes habitual, then it's easy to push any negatives to the back of your mind.

I like the act of smoking, I especially liked my e-cigarette. In a fantasy world where smoking was harmless I would still be doing it now.
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Old 01.03.2015, 22:31
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I'm totally confused by your post; the double negative (and lack of expected negation elsewhere) kind of threw me off. You want your kids to smoke, and there's something about locals being impressed by smoking with your kids, is that it?
Fixed now. That grammar was pretty appalling.

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Old 01.03.2015, 22:40
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I wrote about the mindset of people. The fact that there are so many ways to get around the ban in bars and restaurants and that no-one really cares, and that this hasn't happened in other countries with similar bans is why I wrote what I did.

I'm not sure why they got rid of the smokers' wagons on trains. Did people vote for that with their direct democracy?

There are NO ways to get around the ban in bars and Restaurants, and most People DO care. The Zürich solution with the Fumoirs (Restaurants/bars Cordon off up to 30% to a smoker section) is an intelligent compromise. Yes, the Lungenliga wanted to topple the Fumoir compromise and got a heavy defeat.


Over to the smokers waggons. The SBB had to see that the smokers waggons usually were half empty and the non-smokers waggons completely full and arrived at THE conclusion, simply to drop the smokers waggons
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Old 01.03.2015, 23:07
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There are NO ways to get around the ban in bars and Restaurants, and most People DO care. The Zürich solution with the Fumoirs (Restaurants/bars Cordon off up to 30% to a smoker section) is an intelligent compromise. Yes, the Lungenliga wanted to topple the Fumoir compromise and got a heavy defeat.

Make your mind up.
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Old 01.03.2015, 23:29
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As a matter of interest, have you ever tried not smoking for an extended period, just to see what that would be like?

A friend of mine has given up smoking many times in the last couple of years.
I tried and succeeded for three years in a row, does that count? And I felt quite normal.
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I tried and succeeded for three years in a row, does that count? And I felt quite normal.
Sure, that counts -- up to the point when you fell off the wagon again...

If you felt normal, the question I have is, why did you start smoking again? As I said before, it's your decision; I'm just curious as to why, given all the facts, someone would consciously decide to start smoking -- especially once they'd already decided to quit (presumably for good reasons).
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Old 02.03.2015, 00:44
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Make your mind up.

I really DID make my mind up and always supported the Fumoir Compromise of Zürich, which really works. Works amazingly well
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Old 02.03.2015, 00:58
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Sure, that counts -- up to the point when you fell off the wagon again...

If you felt normal, the question I have is, why did you start smoking again? As I said before, it's your decision; I'm just curious as to why, given all the facts, someone would consciously decide to start smoking -- especially once they'd already decided to quit (presumably for good reasons).

no no no it is NOT . It is NOT a personal decision but often the decision of a Group. I remember skiing Holidays in Klosters in February 1970. Most others DID smoke and I spoke to the Boss, a former Football Coach of me "" I hate this Smoking Thing, I hate the flavour, I hate those cigarettes, I hate the habits, what can I do ? "" And he then calmly stated "" Do what I do, simply abstain. We are to save Money, we are to Keep our health up, and we shall overcome "" quoting, it was 1966, the major slogan and song of the civil rights movement accross the Pond


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkNsEH1GD7Q


and I still hear the words of long gone Aunt Kl.... who at Age 97 told me and a Cousin. the dangers of Nazism including the menace of the Blocher SVP is not overcome yet. Stay on your guard and try your best ,,,, you will face such things until you are in my age

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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

I must say that I am particularly annoyed by people smoking at the Zurich main station. It is impossible to get out of train without smoke reaching me from multiple directions. Apart from being a crowded area at the moment of getting out of train, I definitely consider it to be a closed space.

Even though I think smoking is nonsense so is eating chocolate, which I do, so would not lecture anyone. But smoking has lots of effects on people merely being close by.

Having lived in different countries and cities, I find Zurich to have most smokers on streets to agree with the original post. Maybe smokers here just smoke more in average than elsewhere or happen to smoke while on streets
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I must say that I am particularly annoyed by people smoking at the Zurich main station. It is impossible to get out of train without smoke reaching me from multiple directions. Apart from being a crowded area at the moment of getting out of train, I definitely consider it to be a closed space.

Even though I think smoking is nonsense so is eating chocolate, which I do, so would not lecture anyone. But smoking has lots of effects on people merely being close by.

Having lived in different countries and cities, I find Zurich to have most smokers on streets to agree with the original post. Maybe smokers here just smoke more in average than elsewhere or happen to smoke while on streets

Zürich has less smokers on the road than places like Frauenfeld or St Gallen or Chur or Luzern. BUT smokers no longer can smoke on trains, in restaurants and bars, in offices, in exhibition places, in conference halls ---- so what the tobacco do you expect them to do ?? The changes came within less than three decades, which means a very short period of time
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Old 02.03.2015, 03:51
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There are NO ways to get around the ban in bars and Restaurants, and most People DO care. The Zürich solution with the Fumoirs (Restaurants/bars Cordon off up to 30% to a smoker section) is an intelligent compromise.
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I really DID make my mind up and always supported the Fumoir Compromise of Zürich, which really works. Works amazingly well
Allow me to explain by way of a little pantomime:

Wolli: "Smoking is BANNED!!! There's NO WAY to get around this!!!"

Tom1234: "Oh yes there is!"

Wolli: "Oh no there isn't!"

Tom1234: "Oh yes there is! Look behind you!"

Wolli (looks behind himself): "You mean that little compromise? The one that allows up to 30% of bar or restaurant patrons to smoke, despite the ungettable-around law against it?"


You know, I wouldn't be surprised if the SBB did something novel and radical, like introducing smoking wagons just for people who want to smoke, to get around compromise over the law that forbids smoking on trains.
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The first thing my wife notices when arriving in Switzerland is how the HB looks like a giant cloud and is oppressive to breath in. It's an absolutely embarrassing and terrible situation for such an advanced country.

I don't care if you want to kill yourself, but you are contributing to a boatload of other people getting cancer

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Allow me to explain by way of a little pantomime:

Wolli: "Smoking is BANNED!!! There's NO WAY to get around this!!!"

Tom1234: "Oh yes there is!"

Wolli: "Oh no there isn't!"

Tom1234: "Oh yes there is! Look behind you!"

Wolli (looks behind himself): "You mean that little compromise? The one that allows up to 30% of bar or restaurant patrons to smoke, despite the ungettable-around law against it?"


You know, I wouldn't be surprised if the SBB did something novel and radical, like introducing smoking wagons just for people who want to smoke, to get around compromise over the law that forbids smoking on trains.

The Fumoirs have to be separated by "Bauliche Massnahmen" and not just by some signs. So that smaller places do NOT have Fumoirs. Sure, if a Restaurant owner has good contacts to the authorities she indeed can turn the centre of her place (50%) into THE Fumoir The place at Adliswil rail-station for example
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In the UK, smoking is fast approaching socially unacceptable for teenagers and younger people, like drunk driving now is.
Why isn't it the case here?
Why are so many youngsters smoking?
Do they think it's cool?
It must be a balance thing - one hand holds a RedBull and the other, well, a ciggie .

I don't smoke, and always got very arsey with people lighting up near my precious kids. However, since moving to CH, I have accepted that people will smoke at the train stations. Sometimes we can move away from the smoke, and other times, we may not be able to (those times when you have to wait at a specific spot, to be able to get on the train by using the step-free doors with the buggy). But I think the prevalence of smoking here has made me more tolerant re smokers.

My personal observation is that most smokers are pretty decent and will move away when they see kids around. However, I did notice that younger smokers have a bit to learn about good manners. On a couple of occasions, I have asked the young boys or girls if they could exhale away from us (only when we arrived at that spot first, and they later came to stand/ sit next to us). And surprisingly they are happy to do so. Perhaps, no one taught them about these simple things!
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

One of my dislikes is that it seems that the smoking areas on rail platforms are often in the only seating area. So if you want to sit you get smoked on - which isn't really the fault of the smokers, it's the design.

It'd be nice if there were some non-smoking seats a bit further along the platform too. Or move the smoking areas away from the seats, then everyone can sit in the seats, and the smokers can bob along to a standing smoking area for a few minutes while they spark up.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

This morning, again, a typical situation. It's pouring rain, and there's 2 people furiously smoking underneath a bus station roof large enough for 3-4 people, and a young girl is getting half drenched because she's trying to stand as far away as possible. Naturally, the bus comes, both smokers flick their butts on the ground, and exhale their last puff into the confines of the bus. Jerks. Live and live indeed.

Also, comparing smoking to eating chocolate is massive stretch to put it kindly.
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This morning, again, a typical situation. It's pouring rain, and there's 2 people furiously smoking underneath a bus station roof large enough for 3-4 people, and a young girl is getting half drenched because she's trying to stand as far away as possible. Naturally, the bus comes, both smokers flick their butts on the ground, and exhale their last puff into the confines of the bus. Jerks. Live and live indeed.

Also, comparing smoking to eating chocolate is massive stretch to put it kindly.
Yep! Had the same experience at Meilen Bahnhof today,pouring with rain and standing outside the shelter thanks to the selfish morons puffing away on their cancer sticks!
If they could just have a smoking ban at bus,tram stops and all train stations life would be so much nicer!
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