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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

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Sure, that counts -- up to the point when you fell off the wagon again...

If you felt normal, the question I have is, why did you start smoking again? As I said before, it's your decision; I'm just curious as to why, given all the facts, someone would consciously decide to start smoking -- especially once they'd already decided to quit (presumably for good reasons).

Because nicotine is more addictive than heroin and cocaine put together- that's why! I was heart broken a couple of weeks ago to find that both oldest daughter and sil, who had managed to stop for a few months due to their young kids begging them- had both started again. And now have to face the angst and pain of stopping all over again- it is VERY hard to give up. I wonder how those who sell cigarettes (and know full well the dangers, not 'just' lung cancer, but throat cancer, pancreatic cancer, and so many more- amputated legs and limbs, heart attacks, strokes, etc, etc, etc) feel when THEIR KIDS START SMOKING!!!

It is nasty nasty stuff and hugely addictive- physically, psychologically and emotionally.

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Old 02.03.2015, 22:00
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Because nicotine is more addictive than heroin and cocaine put together- that's why! I was heart broken a couple of weeks ago to find that both oldest daughter and sil, who had managed to stop for a frw months due to their young kids begging them- had both started again. And now have to face the angst and pain of stopping all over again- it is VERY hard to give up. I wonder how those who sell cigarettes (and know full well the dangers, not 'just' lung cancer, but throat cancer, pancreatic cancer, and so many more- amputated legs and limbs, heart attacks, strokes, etc, etc, etc) feel when THEIR KIDS START SMOKING!!!

It is nasty nasty stuff and hugely addictive- physically, psychologically and emotionally.
Yes, that was my point -- I asked a poster whether she'd ever tried to quit, because she said she smoked only because she finds it "enjoying and relaxing" and she isn't like a chain-smoker (implying that she's not "hooked" on nicotine).


Again, I question why anyone would start smoking in the first place, given a reasonable knowledge of the dangers involved.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

I haven't read the previous posts so I apologize if this has already been said.

I just asked my teenager why so many of her friends smoke. She said: stress, peer pressure and being cool. Then they get addicted and even if they wanted to quit, they're addicted. My teenager continued to say that cigarettes are very attractive for teenagers that, because there's such a strong campaign against smoking for teenagers, many rebel and smoke to provoke.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

Well indeed nowadays. My parents started smoking in the early 1930s- my OH's parents in the 1940s. I started in circa 1966 and stopped when I had kids in the 70s. In the days when they smoked inside when we were little, and even both smoked in the car on long journeys!!! Daughters both started when in 6th Form in the late 80s.

But who now would start knowing the full facts???
Hopefully, fewer and fewer- which is why cigarette manufacturers increasingly peddle their trade in the 3rd world where people don't have the facts!
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Yes, that was my point -- I asked a poster whether she'd ever tried to quit, because she said she smoked only because she finds it "enjoying and relaxing" and she isn't like a chain-smoker (implying that she's not "hooked" on nicotine).
Some people just don't get hooked on nicotine like most people. They're probably a very small minority though.

Otherwise your friend is in denial like lots of others who say they only smoke because they enjoy it.

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Again, I question why anyone would start smoking in the first place, given a reasonable knowledge of the dangers involved.

Younger people think they are invincible - and because everyone else is doing it, it can't be that bad.
Peer group pressure for the same age group.

In countries where bans are actually enforced and more wide-ranging, smoking uptake has decreased.

But Patsycat and others think they are doing no harm. They can't see they are doing harm just by smoking in public.
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Old 02.03.2015, 22:14
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I just asked my teenager why so many of her friends smoke. She said: stress, peer pressure and being cool. Then they get addicted and even if they wanted to quit, they're addicted. My teenager continued to say that cigarettes are very attractive for teenagers that, because there's such a strong campaign against smoking for teenagers, many rebel and smoke to provoke.
Although when there were no campaigns against smoking and it was socially acceptable everywhere, the uptake by teenagers was higher than it is now.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

Why do people smoke...I think if people realized how much their sense of smell deteriorated (even smelling their own breath, clothes, skin, hair, etc..) and what it smells like to those who do not smoke, a lot of them would find it easier to quit. The danger of long term health risk is not deterring enough and immediate consequences like odor are hard to identify for those who are numb to them.

It is the same with other addictions, people who drink heavily do not realize what every pore of their skin exudes. How much their behavior changes to fit in their acquired needs.

Another thing is, while those caving in addictions see it as expressing their personal liberty and freedom of choice they might not accept that it could be in fact the opposite. They just "freely" agree with whatever their addiction dictates to them.

It is somewhat still a taboo thing, seems like.

Anyone who makes any little steps to oppose their limitations (like addictions, bad habits, unhealthy mind patterns, behavior traits, etc.) is my hero. As much as I find behaviorists ordinary, our personality is like a playdough...we can do whatever we desire with it, improve it. I find trying to focus on conquering a personal obstacle a much better way to be self centered than prioritizing one's addiction.
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Because nicotine is more addictive than heroin and cocaine put together- that's why! I was heart broken a couple of weeks ago to find that both oldest daughter and sil, who had managed to stop for a few months due to their young kids begging them- had both started again. And now have to face the angst and pain of stopping all over again- it is VERY hard to give up. I wonder how those who sell cigarettes (and know full well the dangers, not 'just' lung cancer, but throat cancer, pancreatic cancer, and so many more- amputated legs and limbs, heart attacks, strokes, etc, etc, etc) feel when THEIR KIDS START SMOKING!!!

It is nasty nasty stuff and hugely addictive- physically, psychologically and emotionally.

Those who sell cigarettes, will, when their Kids start Smoking, blame the teachers, the school-System, the Society, the municipal Administration, etc but NEVER accept that they themselves are part of the problem
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Those who sell cigarettes, will, when their Kids start Smoking, blame the teachers, the school-System, the Society, the municipal Administration, etc but NEVER accept that they themselves are part of the problem
Yes! There are trashbin with smoke ashtrays right next to every entrace of every building in ETH/Uni, and it's like tellng the students:you are welcome to smoke right here! I really wish they could just put them like 10 metersaway so I can at least avoid the smoke....

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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

And wow there so many replies....this is quite unexpected, and I think it will take a while for me to go through all your responses! But thank you for contributing!

There are some posts that suggests that young adults think smoking is cool, could anyone show me a scene in the movie or articles and explain why?? Also some people suggest it's a culture thing, does many swiss people think that smoking is ok and it won't affect the health of people, or they are just very used to it?

And about the stats, it's quite suprising to see that only 20% of swiss are smoking, and the number is higher in Germany/Italy. Well the statas just don't fit my experience. Some of you say it could be a cultural thing, so if that's true, I am just wondering why they have such awareness. And are there any restrictions for smoking in public areas in Germany/Italy? Again, my personal experience and knowledge are very limited...so if you have other experiences/opinions/idea, please share, I would like to know!

And thank you all again for all your responses! I've learnt a lot about these issue, and about smokers as well as their perspectives. I am also very happy to see that many people share similar experiences and opinions with me!
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Yes! There are trashbin with smoke ashtrays right next to every entrace of every building in ETH/Uni, and it's like tellng the students:you are welcome to smoke right here! I really wish they could just put them like 10 metersaway so I can at least avoid the smoke....

trashbins and ashtrays are mounted where they are in the hope that people do not, as in the past, throw their stuff incl. chewing gums onto the ground. I do NOT believe that this has real influence on smoking
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Because nicotine is more addictive than heroin and cocaine put together- that's why! I was heart broken a couple of weeks ago to find that both oldest daughter and sil, who had managed to stop for a few months due to their young kids begging them- had both started again. And now have to face the angst and pain of stopping all over again- it is VERY hard to give up. I wonder how those who sell cigarettes (and know full well the dangers, not 'just' lung cancer, but throat cancer, pancreatic cancer, and so many more- amputated legs and limbs, heart attacks, strokes, etc, etc, etc) feel when THEIR KIDS START SMOKING!!!

It is nasty nasty stuff and hugely addictive- physically, psychologically and emotionally.
Don't be daft, nicotine is is 100x easier to stop than heroin, and 100x less destructive. Your oldest daughter and sil are just severely lacking in willpower if they had already given up the physical addiction for a few months and still went back to it. They didn't really want to quit and clearly didn't have enough motivation to.

Introduce her to e-cigarettes, pretty sure that will be a start.

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Because nicotine is more addictive than heroin and cocaine put together-
Absolute nonsense.

while I've never tried heroin, I've never found nicotine or cocaine to be addictive.

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Don't be daft, nicotine is is 100x easier to strop than heroin, and 100x less destructive. Your oldest daughter and sil are just severely lacking in willpower if they had already given up the physical addiction for a few months and still went back to it. They didn't really want to quit and clearly didn't have enough motivation to.
Agreed.

I thought the physical addiction of nicotine, whilst being quite strong, only lasted a couple of days? Going cold turkey doesn't produce the severe physical reactions from heroin or indeed alcohol addiction.
The rest of the addiction is purely psychological and can last years because it is such a strong, everyday habit.
I know of some people who will automatically reach for a cigarette automatically if offered one, even if they haven't smoked for ten years.

But yes, it's a question of will-power.
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Because nicotine is more addictive than heroin and cocaine put together- that's why! I was heart broken a couple of weeks ago to find that both oldest daughter and sil, who had managed to stop for a few months due to their young kids begging them- had both started again. And now have to face the angst and pain of stopping all over again- it is VERY hard to give up. I wonder how those who sell cigarettes (and know full well the dangers, not 'just' lung cancer, but throat cancer, pancreatic cancer, and so many more- amputated legs and limbs, heart attacks, strokes, etc, etc, etc) feel when THEIR KIDS START SMOKING!!!

It is nasty nasty stuff and hugely addictive- physically, psychologically and emotionally.
So so true.

Nicotine is a drug delivery system and those who smoke can be classed as drug addicts, and there's one thing I noticed about addicts is that they are the most selfish people you will ever meet. Because of their addiction, they will do things that they normally wouldn't I.e pregnant woman smoking and endangering their unborn child, not only is this act selfish but immoral.

Why can't they just ban cigarettes altogether,!but slowly, starting with a ban on smoking in public places. by dong this, they will be doing all smokers and non smokers a big faviour.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

Willpower, volition processes are complex. Our judgement isn't in a powerful position when swayed by instant gratification and other egocentric feelings..just look at the marketing schemes for cigs, it totally plays into the selfish part of an addict. "Take a moment for yourself", "feel super cool and special", marlboro and camel even make clothes to nurture the image linked ego part messing up with our rational judgement. Marketing psychologists nailed it down. So no matter how strong the actual chemical bit of an addiction is, the decision before lighting up will be pushed by the ego feeding drive (I deserve this) followed by guilt, often subconscious. It's a difficult circle.
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Re: Why do so many people in Zurich smoke?

The younger you start, the harder it is to give up. When you start smoking the brain develops receptors that are the exact same size as a nicotine molecule. Once the receptor is "full" with a nicotine molecule, it shuts down for a while and the craving goes for an hour or so.

The younger you start the more of these receptors you have in the brain and they stay in the brain. When you give up, you still get cravings 10 yesrs later, albeit on a reduced level, but form time to time, a cigarette would be nice. The probelm is it will never stay at one, but as soon as you touch a cigggie, you're a smoker again.

People who start later in live, early 20's or thereabouts have less receptors as the brain in more developed. The result is these people are often social smokers; they have a cigarette from time to time, they can start/stop as they wish which makes us hard core somokers envious.

I started smoking at 13, gave up at 40 and 14 years later i still get cravings. Nicotine is highly addictive and to give up needs a lot of will power and courage, NICOTINE IS A HIGHLY TENACIOUS PARTNER !
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The younger you start, the harder it is to give up. When you start smoking the brain develops receptors that are the exact same size as a nicotine molecule. Once the receptor is "full" with a nicotine molecule, it shuts down for a while and the craving goes for an hour or so.

The younger you start the more of these receptors you have in the brain and they stay in the brain. When you give up, you still get cravings 10 yesrs later, albeit on a reduced level, but form time to time, a cigarette would be nice. The probelm is it will never stay at one, but as soon as you touch a cigggie, you're a smoker again.

People who start later in live, early 20's or thereabouts have less receptors as the brain in more developed. The result is these people are often social smokers; they have a cigarette from time to time, they can start/stop as they wish which makes us hard core somokers envious.

I started smoking at 13, gave up at 40 and 14 years later i still get cravings. Nicotine is highly addictive and to give up needs a lot of will power and courage, NICOTINE IS A HIGHLY TENACIOUS PARTNER !

Finally some great news! I started when I was 30, so I'll have it a bit easier
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Absolute nonsense.

while I've never tried heroin, I've never found nicotine or cocaine to be addictive.

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Do you smoke now, Tom? Are you currently a smoker?
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Absolute nonsense.

while I've never tried heroin, I've never found nicotine or cocaine to be addictive.

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and the same goes for Alcohol. But thousands of people in dozens of (subsidised) organisations in Switzerland actually make their living by pretending people can't just stop smoking or drinking when ever they want.

I smoked 8 years 1 pack/Day and one day i just stopped.

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