Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Daily life
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 03.03.2015, 10:14
Fridge's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Zürich
Posts: 687
Groaned at 24 Times in 20 Posts
Thanked 756 Times in 330 Posts
Fridge has a reputation beyond reputeFridge has a reputation beyond reputeFridge has a reputation beyond reputeFridge has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Robotics and intelligent computing is going to be the end of everything for every

Quote:
View Post
Not so. In an experiment recently they fed Watson, the ibm cognitive computer, all the papers ever written about some vitamin, b-53 or something (you can look it up on the Internet). It read all the papers at light speed of course, which it was calculated would have taken a scientist 38 years to read, and not only did it know and respond to all questions in b-53 correctly, it made six new discoveries!!.

Up until now I was like you - always work for those in the field or at the high end, but it's not the case. AI will soon be as good as you are at programming or studying the AI field, and in a nanosecond, it will be miles better, making you redundant.
Yes, but 20 years for what you're forecasting is very optimistic. the best I've come across are still saying a best case of 40-70 for really threatening ai. Until then, it's all really supplementary help, which yes, will supplant several lines of work. That still gives a long, necessary, career for those participating though.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Fridge for this useful post:
  #22  
Old 03.03.2015, 10:25
Phos's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: ZRH
Posts: 7,177
Groaned at 462 Times in 350 Posts
Thanked 9,364 Times in 4,926 Posts
Phos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Robotics and intelligent computing is going to be the end of everything for every

why spend precious human time doing something over and over and over again, when a machine can do it perfectly well? Seems like a waste of human life. We'll need to be more creative, and be more human to stay relevant and survive. Some people will just be rewarded with nutrients for watching TV and staying out of trouble. Maybe we can figure out how to use them as batteries.


Quote:
View Post
...untill I come along and pull its plug.
I will come along to consult on how and why it happened, then hire someone to plug it back in.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 03.03.2015, 10:59
Chemmie's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,714
Groaned at 27 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 4,230 Times in 1,918 Posts
Chemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Robotics and intelligent computing is going to be the end of everything for every

Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Chemmie for this useful post:
  #24  
Old 03.03.2015, 12:16
Aeneas's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Winterthur, ZH
Posts: 947
Groaned at 37 Times in 30 Posts
Thanked 955 Times in 456 Posts
Aeneas has a reputation beyond reputeAeneas has a reputation beyond reputeAeneas has a reputation beyond reputeAeneas has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Robotics and intelligent computing is going to be the end of everything for every

Quote:
View Post
1. Practical AI like Watson. That's all IT, (all, even high end), research, support, legal, customer service, accountancy and law jobs gone.
2. Robotics. All manufacturing, including in China, down the swanny. All customer service in shops, resteraunts, anywhere.
3. Driverless cars. No garages, taxis, bus drivers, signposts, most of the legal industry, most of the insurance industry.
I wouldn't be fleeing to a unibomber shack in the mountains just yet.

AI is still largely smoke and mirrors, even the famous Turing test is about fooling someone into believing a system is intelligent, rather than the system actually being intelligent. And most practical AI nowadays works on the basis of expert systems and case-base reasoning - that are good in very, very narrow fields of problem solving, but are lost the moment that they need to go beyond that tiny comfort zone.

As for robotics - as opposed to AI - there's a long way to go there before we get something with the agility of a terminator. Not to mention that even if we did, an immigrant from a developing nation will remain a lot cheaper to hire, for a restaurant, than a robot for the foreseeable future.

That's not to say that we won't see improvements that lead to certain jobs becoming obsolete; such as translation systems, driver-less cars and the like. But if you're worried about your job, then I'd be more concerned about outsourcing than technology.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Aeneas for this useful post:
  #25  
Old 03.03.2015, 13:19
Slaphead's Avatar
Moderato espressivo
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Zürich
Posts: 3,145
Groaned at 40 Times in 36 Posts
Thanked 8,993 Times in 2,760 Posts
Slaphead has a reputation beyond reputeSlaphead has a reputation beyond reputeSlaphead has a reputation beyond reputeSlaphead has a reputation beyond reputeSlaphead has a reputation beyond reputeSlaphead has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Robotics and intelligent computing is going to be the end of everything for every

Quote:
View Post
I wouldn't be fleeing to a unibomber shack in the mountains just yet.

AI is still largely smoke and mirrors, even the famous Turing test is about fooling someone into believing a system is intelligent, rather than the system actually being intelligent. And most practical AI nowadays works on the basis of expert systems and case-base reasoning - that are good in very, very narrow fields of problem solving, but are lost the moment that they need to go beyond that tiny comfort zone.

As for robotics - as opposed to AI - there's a long way to go there before we get something with the agility of a terminator. Not to mention that even if we did, an immigrant from a developing nation will remain a lot cheaper to hire, for a restaurant, than a robot for the foreseeable future.

That's not to say that we won't see improvements that lead to certain jobs becoming obsolete; such as translation systems, driver-less cars and the like. But if you're worried about your job, then I'd be more concerned about outsourcing than technology.
Not that far - you should check out some of the work that Boston Dynamics has been doing - very impressive, and PETMAN is downright scary.



Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Slaphead for this useful post:
  #26  
Old 03.03.2015, 21:02
me.anon's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: thun
Posts: 1,452
Groaned at 22 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,764 Times in 869 Posts
me.anon has a reputation beyond reputeme.anon has a reputation beyond reputeme.anon has a reputation beyond reputeme.anon has a reputation beyond reputeme.anon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Robotics and intelligent computing is going to be the end of everything for every

Quote:
View Post
Not so. In an experiment recently they fed Watson, the ibm cognitive computer, all the papers ever written about some vitamin, b-53 or something (you can look it up on the Internet). It read all the papers at light speed of course, which it was calculated would have taken a scientist 38 years to read, and not only did it know and respond to all questions in b-53 correctly, it made six new discoveries!!.
... .
To test the accuracy of "Watson", it should be fed all papers on the topic "The Ultimate Question of Life/Universe/Everything". If it is any good, it will come up with the answer "42".
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 03.03.2015, 22:47
daboyblunder's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Highhorse im Innerschweiz
Posts: 368
Groaned at 23 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 320 Times in 162 Posts
daboyblunder is considered knowledgeabledaboyblunder is considered knowledgeabledaboyblunder is considered knowledgeable
Re: Robotics and intelligent computing is going to be the end of everything for every

Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 03.03.2015, 23:55
slammer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Lummerland
Posts: 3,660
Groaned at 79 Times in 58 Posts
Thanked 5,785 Times in 2,130 Posts
slammer has a reputation beyond reputeslammer has a reputation beyond reputeslammer has a reputation beyond reputeslammer has a reputation beyond reputeslammer has a reputation beyond reputeslammer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Robotics and intelligent computing is going to be the end of everything for every

Quote:
View Post
To test the accuracy of "Watson", it should be fed all papers on the topic "The Ultimate Question of Life/Universe/Everything". If it is any good, it will come up with the answer "42".
and then after 7.5 million years, 23 hours, fifteen minutes and twenty-seven seconds it galumphs loudly with a incandescent globble and proclaims an error, the answer is in actual fact ⅔ of a 41th..
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Zurich - going out alone. Is it safe? What would be the best places to go? Julce Entertainment & dining 11 27.04.2013 21:14
Moving sale, Zurich (Everything to go by end of February!) moumita Items for sale 8 10.02.2011 10:23
Is anyone else going to be (or is) a Puppy Walker? argus Pet corner 20 27.09.2010 20:53
Does it have to be bargain basement or high end? Where is the happy medium? Jasmine28 Housing in general 7 13.02.2010 01:08
How is America going to end? evilshell International affairs/politics 335 13.08.2009 12:14


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 08:04.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0