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Parking Fine whilst unloading...

Hi all,

Would like to know whether a parking fine can be appealed in Switzerland because I was unloading a rental car after a weekend away outside by apartment block before returning the car.

The apartment block doesn't have rear access or an off-street unloading spot.

Whilst taking a case inside a police van drove by, stopped and issued me a ticket for Fr. 160 for stopping outside the apartment block for 8 minutes.

I appreciate it's bad luck that the van drove by during the few minutes I was unloading but can they really issue such an amount?

I'd be grateful for a recommendation on whether its possible to get the ticket rescinded or the ridiculous fine amount reduced...

For the record I was flabbergasted when the Polizist handed over the pink slip so I said very few words other than to ask why he didn't just wait for me to return. He said had I been there a minute or so earlier before he started filling out the slip that I would have been politely asked to move the vehicle away - makes the 160 somewhat harder to accept...

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Re: Parking Fine whilst unloading...

From what i remember you can stop on the side-walk if there is at least 1m for people to walk, if you stopped on illegal location then I guess it is illegal.

I have been fined for parking 20cm off the blue line or even when my parking thing was not completely visible, in some countries violence is part of normal life here are the fines.
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Old 03.03.2015, 11:47
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Re: Parking Fine whilst unloading...

It wasn't a parking offense was it? It was probably a fine for stopping in a no stopping area.

As the policeman said, if you were staying with your car, you might have just been told to move on, but what if there was an emergency and your car was in the way of an emergency vehicle? Who would move it, and would somebody die?

Yes you can appeal the fine, look at the paper, there will be an address of an office there somewhere. BUT you will then be in front of a judge who can then issue an eye watering fine, plus costs, - just to remind you not to waste his time in future.

I once appealed a CHF 1'100 fine for speeding on the Autobahn at 3 am, near Bern. The fine on appeal was increased to CHF 2'200 plus I had Fr 300 court costs to pay. So maybe you should pay "the ridiculous fine amount" of Fr 160 without any more complaining?
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Re: Parking Fine whilst unloading...

CHF 160

The only single fine for this amount is going between 11-15 km/h over on a Autostrasse.
http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifie...142/index.html

Other option, you did multiple offenses. Like stopping in a place where it is not allowed. Unfortunately, while Loading/Unloading is not parking, it is still stopping.

What are the exact amount(s) and actual OBV Ziffer?
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From what i remember you can stop on the side-walk if there is at least 1m for people to walk, if you stopped on illegal location then I guess it is illegal.
1.5 meter. And for loading/unloading and passenger pickup/drop-off only.

Art. 41 VRV.
http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifie...index.html#a41
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CHF 160

The only single fine for this amount is going between 11-15 km/h over on a Autostrasse.
http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifie...142/index.html

Other option, you did multiple offenses. Like stopping in a place where it is not allowed. Unfortunately, Loading/Unloading is not parking, but it is still stopping.

What are the exact amount(s) and actual OBV Ziffer?

Thanks for your help. Its says "230.01A / 318.03".
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Thanks for your help. Its says "230.01A / 318.03".
So:
Parking where it is indicated you are not allowed to
Misuse of hazard lights on a stationary vehicle

Loving the second one - basically anyone being a bit naughty when stopping/unloading puts on their hazards
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Re: Parking Fine whilst unloading...

We had to do that a few weeks ago when we picked up a table from my niece. I had prepared a large sign on a card, explaining what we were doing, how long we would be there, the number of the flat where we were and OH's mobile number- with a big 'Merci'. No trouble- perhaps we were just lucky.
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Re: Parking Fine whilst unloading...

If you break the law you get fined. If you put up a sign, then aren't you even more guilty, as you were planning the crime?

The only way to possibly avoid this fine is for the driver to remain with the vehicle, and be ready to move it asap. The OP could have arranged for someone to meet him at the pavement, he could then stop for 10 seconds, hand over the case, and then drive away.
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The OP could have arranged for someone to meet him at the pavement, he could then stop for 10 seconds, hand over the case, and then drive away.
OR the OP could have parked in a designated area and carried/wheeled the case to the apartment.
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Thanks for your help. Its says "230.01A / 318.03".
230.01A Parkieren innerhalb des signalisierten Halteverbots (2.49; Art. 30 SSV und Art. 19 Abs. 2 Bst. a VRV) bis 60 Minuten

Parking in a No-Stopping Zone.

318.03 Missbräuchliche Verwendung der Warnblinklichter am stehenden Fahrzeug (Art. 23 Abs. 3 Bst. a VRV)

Miss-use of emergency blinkers (Emergency blinkers on a stopped car may only be used together with an emergency triangle, and if illegal stopping is the only viable option).


You may get the 230.01A down to a
230.02 Halten innerhalb des signalisierten Halteverbots (2.49; Art. 30 SSV)
Stopping in a No-Stopping Zone.
Which is only CHF 80.

Not much you can do about the 318.03. Rules are rules, all tough you may try the "i-am-a-forigener-rules-are-different-in-my-country" if you have not exchanged your driving license yet. But not much hope for that.

You decide: In the super best case you get CHF 80 less, realistic CHF 40 less.

If it happened in Zürich City, contact https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/pd/de/i...n/kontakt.html an try to renegotiate the fine before the end of the payment deadline. That is your best and cheapest shot.

If unsuccessful and you still do not want to pay that much you have to go to the judge. But you have to know: even if the judge decides in your favor he is no longer bound to the fines defined in the OBV, additionally court fee may apply, and finally it could go into your driving record.

PS: Thanks for the refresher on emergency light use, as the dodgyken says, nearly anyone is using them in such a situation.
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Re: Parking Fine whilst unloading...

OP please do not get offended, but couldn't have you stop on the parking place at the back and use your muscles to bring whatever stuff you had to the apartment? I have done it multiple times and only once had to excuse lovely lady whose parking spot I had taken for a few minutes. It is definitely worth to exercise yourself and keep your colorful franks in your wallet
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The only way to possibly avoid this fine is for the driver to remain with the vehicle, and be ready to move it asap. The OP could have arranged for someone to meet him at the pavement, he could then stop for 10 seconds, hand over the case, and then drive away.
That would have still been stopping in a no-stopping zone.
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OP please do not get offended, but couldn't have you stop on the parking place at the back and use your muscles to bring whatever stuff you had to the apartment? I have done it multiple times and only once had to excuse lovely lady whose parking spot I had taken for a few minutes. It is definitely worth to exercise yourself and keep your colorful franks in your wallet
Its a fair question but there isn't a ground-level car park at the building and I don't have access to the underground garage because I don't have a resident permit (I was using a hire car). The nearest Blaue Zone parking spaces are 10-15 mins.

In hindsight exercise would have been the better option...
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The nearest Blaue Zone parking spaces are 10-15 mins.
And white zone??

Seems very odd that there is no blue/white parking any closer
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And white zone??

Seems very odd that there is no blue/white parking any closer
Yes strange...I have never seen any place in Lausanne that would not have at least one parking zone (blue/white) within 1-2 minutes walk (except of strict city centre).
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Hi all,

Would like to know whether a parking fine can be appealed in Switzerland because I was unloading a rental car after a weekend away outside by apartment block before returning the car.

The apartment block doesn't have rear access or an off-street unloading spot.

Whilst taking a case inside a police van drove by, stopped and issued me a ticket for Fr. 160 for stopping outside the apartment block for 8 minutes.

I appreciate it's bad luck that the van drove by during the few minutes I was unloading but can they really issue such an amount?

I'd be grateful for a recommendation on whether its possible to get the ticket rescinded or the ridiculous fine amount reduced...

For the record I was flabbergasted when the Polizist handed over the pink slip so I said very few words other than to ask why he didn't just wait for me to return. He said had I been there a minute or so earlier before he started filling out the slip that I would have been politely asked to move the vehicle away - makes the 160 somewhat harder to accept...

Thanks for an help!
Your join date for the english forum is 2010. i have to assume that you have just started driving and have not paid any attention to managing ones car in the cities of Europe.

Right?

A Swiss Policeman waiting for you to return so he can ask you to move your rental car. ladies and gentlmen Hell has just frozen over the OP.

challenge the fine.... Please.
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Whilst taking a case inside a police van drove by, stopped and issued me a ticket for Fr. 160 for stopping outside the apartment block for 8 minutes.
What you claim is probably exactly the reason they waited 5 minutes before writing the fine. Dropping the case and coming back out right away would be quite unlikely to take 8 minutes.

Pay the fine and learn from it. Any kind of appeal will only increase your cost.
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Re: Parking Fine whilst unloading...

Ouch. I didn't even know this was an offence!!

As my neighbour constantly blocks the visitors parking space when I come home Sunday late, I regularly have to stop in the middle of the street (one way) to unload the entire boot before driving 3 streets further to find a spot in the blue zone (cba in dragging my stuff from there )

Maybe my luck that no police ever patrole that street, especially that time of night. But will def speed up the unloading from now on
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Ouch. I didn't even know this was an offence!!

As my neighbour constantly blocks the visitors parking space when I come home Sunday late
Complain to the landlord, he is not a visitor, and he is blocking temporary parking.
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