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Well for starters, you have to consider that a business in CH has to buy land at the Swiss price, has to pay labour with the Swiss wages and so on. Selling the product with German prices does not make any sense at all. I am sure we all agree we wouldn't do it ourselves.
In fact this is not so! The only people who make money out of the high prices are the "sole importers" who have a monopoly and charge excessive prices.
For products where the importers sell to me at "normal" prices then the prices in my shop are similar to German prices or even lower due to the much lower VAT in Switzerland.
So you see I do not agree and do do it myself
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Re: Shopping in Germany

It' the economy, stupid.


I.e. the market.


Plus mkt access. E.g. electronical hw stuff is not more expensive in CH, either.
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Overall quality in Germany does not reach Swiss standard, at least not speaking the same niche.
And frankly spoken, I don't want the German trash. If I eat chips, I want Zweifel, if chewing gums, V6. Coffee Italian or Swiss, please, but for sure nothing german or any other germanic hopeless cases. Zumutung. We call that garbage. And the offer in Germany on foreign brands is not good, but rather small. What do Germans know about food


Same procedure with regards to clothing: The cheap international stuff is cheaper in Germany, the good quality cheaper in CH. And again: What do the Germans know about clothing? They look like Americans.

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You seem to have been brainwashed!

When it comes to food Swiss quality is no different to most countries its a con job from the same companies that run tha t food industry oligopoly here and fix the prices
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Re: Shopping in Germany

On the cheap (which is not automatically low quality) stuff, you have a point.


However, not on the high-end product line, and, furthermore, not in all categories, plus not in the local one.


I'm aware of the fact that for the same pot of nivea cream or a T-shirt at New Yorker's I will pay less in Germany,


but this is not necessarily true for a good pair of quality shoes, a bakery's loaf of bread, a bottle of perfume, a cup of coffee or a TV set.
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all the hairdressers for example in a town will charge almost exactly the same.
doesn't necessarily mean it's a cartel, in many sectors there's a flattening of prices after a while, haircutting has been the same for years now. how much is it btw?

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I think that your Swiss friend is right. If everyone does not support the swiss economy, how does this economy support swiss salaries? Having this in mind, I buy mostly from Switzerland.
Buying foreign made stuff at inflated prices from a Swiss store does not really support the Swiss economy because most of that money goes straight to the importer or even flows out of the country to the foreign manufacturer and once you gave away that money for nothing you don't have it anymore to support the local economy.

If you want to support the Swiss economy then buy foreign-made products wherever you get the best deal. Then spend the money saved where it actually benefits the local economy and helps keeping local jobs instead of being transferred abroad at lightning speed: Order a custom-made piece of furniture from the local carpenter, have your hair cut locally, eat out more, have your car serviced locally, etc.

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If all people thought like that, then perhaps the majority of products would not have a "Made in China" tag! We would have kept local industries, and local expertise would have been kept alive and handed down from parent to child.

Yes, things would be more expensive, but perhaps we would also have fewer landfills.
Totally agree with that.
Things would be probably more expensive and maybe of better quality too, not to mention you'd think like 5 times before buying anything and also use things longer.
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but this is not necessarily true for a good pair of quality shoes, a bakery's loaf of bread, a bottle of perfume, a cup of coffee or a TV set.
I don't know where you shop in germany but the above is complete crap...

I save at least 30% buying exactly the same shoes or perfume/aftershave etc in germany compared to CH. I recently bought 1 bottle of perfume for friend and that was 50% cheaper in germany.

Coffee at a cafe... it certainly didn't cost me 5 euro but CH is 5 chf. TV set I haven't checked.

I think.you need to seriously look.at prices again and compare exactly the same items.
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Buying foreign made stuff at inflated prices from a Swiss store does not really support the Swiss economy because most of that money goes straight to the importer or even flows out of the country to the foreign manufacturer and once you gave away that money for nothing you don't have it anymore to support the local economy.

If you want to support the Swiss economy then buy foreign-made products wherever you get the best deal. Then spend the money saved where it actually benefits the local economy and helps keeping local jobs instead of being transferred abroad at lightning speed: Order a custom-made piece of furniture from the local carpenter, have your hair cut locally, eat out more, have your car serviced locally, etc.
But the Swiss middlemen buy from the foreign sellers at exactly same price as the foreign sellers sell to other buyers, this increased mark up stays in Switzerland, so indirectly it does help the economy
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I don't know where you shop in germany but the above is complete crap...

I save at least 30% buying exactly the same shoes or perfume/aftershave etc in germany compared to CH. I recently bought 1 bottle of perfume for friend and that was 50% cheaper in germany.

Coffee at a cafe... it certainly didn't cost me 5 euro but CH is 5 chf. TV set I haven't checked.

I think.you need to seriously look.at prices again and compare exactly the same items.
Indeed
Hard to compare a loaf of bread as there are so many types. As an example, a croissant (Gipfeli) costs between 35 and 60 cents in Germany versus CHF 1.50 here.

Last Summer the Jestetten Saturday market had coffee and a cake for 1 euro.

Electronic stuff is usually cheaper in Switzerland which raises the question "why isn't everything cheaper?"
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Old 15.03.2015, 10:38
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Electronic stuff is usually cheaper in Switzerland which raises the question "why isn't everything cheaper?"
Or the queston of "why are most things a lot cheaper in Germany than in Italy, despite both being in the EU"?

(most stuff in Italy, other than meat, fish, some vegetables, and olive oil, isn't much cheaper than here)

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But the Swiss middlemen buy from the foreign sellers at exactly same price as the foreign sellers sell to other buyers, this increased mark up stays in Switzerland, so indirectly it does help the economy
About "the Swiss middlemen buy from the foreign sellers at exactly same price as the foreign sellers sell to other buyers" And your source for this is?
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I don't know where you shop in germany but the above is complete crap...

I save at least 30% buying exactly the same shoes or perfume/aftershave etc in germany compared to CH. I recently bought 1 bottle of perfume for friend and that was 50% cheaper in germany.
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If we are talking Foxtown or permanent offers e.g. at Manor, I doubt that.
Probably if we consider a comparison on online-shops, you have a point.


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Coffee at a cafe... it certainly didn't cost me 5 euro but CH is 5 chf. TV set I haven't checked.
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A coffee for 5 franks is the price maybe at Zurich or Lugano P.zza Riforma. Normally you don't pay that. And I doubt that at Konstanz or Freiburg/BR downtown you pay much less. But the quality is not Swiss or Italian standard, as a norm. Or you have to ask for it in the first place. If you don't do, you get water i.e. American coffee = caffè lungo sciacquato.


Bread in CH is not more expensive than in Germany, e.g. cakes are cheaper, also by far.
Of course in a bakery, if you have enough time to look for it, you will also find some single item that is more expensive than its equivalent in Germany, yes.


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I think.you need to seriously look.at prices again and compare exactly the same items.
If we are talking products from global players like Beiersdorf, e.g., you are right.
The rest of what so many users here mention, is not.


Of course it's a question of what is exactly in a shopping basket, and if a person prefers that international basic stuff, yes, there is a point in claiming Germany to be cheaper (it's one of the world's cheapest countries, after all, but in many cases, regarding the bunch of many other products, you get what you pay for).


I'm aware of the fact that in CH olygopoles exist. And true that Migros and Coop, until some 10-15 years ago, have been forcing the small detail grocery market to practically disappear,


but don't think those cartels wouldn't exist elsewhere. In the EU there have been many many cases of global players trying to adopt price-discrimination policies (I remember e.g. car re-imports). But Karel van Miert unfortunately already passed away.
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About "the Swiss middlemen buy from the foreign sellers at exactly same price as the foreign sellers sell to other buyers" And your source for this is?
I can't imagine the Swiss buying at a higher level than competition, it just doesn't work any longer with the internet. I may be wrong, but being in this sort of business, the sellers don't really care too much, the Chinese are probably not even so aware of the different price structures in Europe, all they are interested in is a FOB price.
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I can't imagine the Swiss buying at a higher level than competition, it just doesn't work any longer with the internet. I may be wrong, but being in this sort of business, the sellers don't really care too much, the Chinese are probably not even so aware of the different price structures in Europe, all they are interested in is a FOB price.
I have news for you; the sellers are very aware of country differences. Russia and Turkey pay a lot less than Germany and Germany pays less than Switzerland.

Here I am talking about commercial arrangements for large quantities of known branded goods like coca-cola, Ford and such like.

Good example here, Coop refusing to sell German magazines because of the high prices in Switzerland.

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If we are talking Foxtown or permanent offers e.g. at Manor, I doubt that.
Probably if we consider a comparison on online-shops, you have a point.



A coffee for 5 franks is the price maybe at Zurich or Lugano P.zza Riforma. Normally you don't pay that. And I doubt that at Konstanz or Freiburg/BR downtown you pay much less. But the quality is not Swiss or Italian standard, as a norm. Or you have to ask for it in the first place. If you don't do, you get water i.e. American coffee = caffè lungo sciacquato.


Bread in CH is not more expensive than in Germany, e.g. cakes are cheaper, also by far.
Of course in a bakery, if you have enough time to look for it, you will also find some single item that is more expensive than its equivalent in Germany, yes.



If we are talking products from global players like Beiersdorf, e.g., you are right.
The rest of what so many users here mention, is not.


Of course it's a question of what is exactly in a shopping basket, and if a person prefers that international basic stuff, yes, there is a point in claiming Germany to be cheaper (it's one of the world's cheapest countries, after all, but in many cases, regarding the bunch of many other products, you get what you pay for).


I'm aware of the fact that in CH olygopoles exist. And true that Migros and Coop, until some 10-15 years ago, have been forcing the small detail grocery market to practically disappear,


but don't think those cartels wouldn't exist elsewhere. In the EU there have been many many cases of global players trying to adopt price-discrimination policies (I remember e.g. car re-imports). But Karel van Miert unfortunately already passed away.
No im talking perfectly normal shops and towns. No outlets or manor etc and certainly not online shops. Coffee is normal price plus minus slightly in basel and other little towns around in normal cafes. In germany I pay 1.80 or 2 euro and it is certainly not American dishwater crap.
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But the Swiss middlemen buy from the foreign sellers at exactly same price as the foreign sellers sell to other buyers, this increased mark up stays in Switzerland, so indirectly it does help the economy
Rudolf Strahm, former Federal Price Supervisor, said in a recent interview that most of the price difference is caused by exactly those foreign sellers who won't sell stuff to Switzerland at the same prices.

I don't know if it's true, but Strahm, albeit a former politician, isn't known as a liar.
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No im talking perfectly normal shops and towns. No outlets or manor etc and certainly not online shops. Coffee is normal price plus minus slightly in basel and other little towns around in normal cafes. In germany I pay 1.80 or 2 euro and it is certainly not American dishwater crap.
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apart that on a good location in Italy (e.g. Milan S. Babila, P.zza Duomo) you can pay much more than 5 ridiculous franks for a cup of coffee,

let's try coffee beans then.
For decades they used to be much cheaper in CH than in Germany. And by far better.

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Rudolf Strahm, former Federal Price Supervisor, said in a recent interview that most of the price difference is caused by exactly those foreign sellers who won't sell stuff to Switzerland at the same prices.
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They are the "importers", infact.
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apart that on a good location in Italy (e.g. Milan S. Babila, P.zza Duomo) you can pay much more than 5 ridiculous franks for a cup of coffee,

let's try coffee beans then.
For decades they used to be much cheaper in CH than in Germany. And by far better.


They are the "importers", infact.
About "They are the "importers", in fact."
Foreign sellers are actually "exporters" . "Importers live or are based in this country, buy from the exporters and resell here; either direct or to wholesalers.
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