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Today I had an interesting conversation with my neighbor in the parking lot. We said the usual hellos and then he mentioned that he was doing his mobel ( furniture) shopping.


I asked why don't you go to Germany because the prices are quite good. He said" I'm Swiss and I only buy in Switzerland as I get paid here" and said quite friendly that if majority goes to Germany for shopping the Swiss people will loose jobs therefore its an ethical thing to do.


whenever I get a chance I go to Germany for all my shopping. But this conversation got me thinking..


what do you guys think?
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I think Germany's too far away.
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If the Swiss want the foreigners to support Switzerland, they could make the naturalization perhaps a bit easier.
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Re: Shopping in Germany

I think he's right.

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I asked why don't you go to Germany because the prices are quite good. He said" I'm Swiss and I only buy in Switzerland as I get paid here" and said quite friendly that if majority goes to Germany for shopping the Swiss people will loose jobs therefore its an ethical thing to do.
Or some of the outrageous prices will fall here. I fully understand that Switzerland has a high standard of living and that people get paid more and other costs are higher but how some retailers here can charge three, four or even ten times as much as a a place across the border is down to greed alone (and because the consumer will pay such prices).

And if your neighbour is right, then how come electronic goods retailers here manage to have prices the same as the rest of Europe, if not cheaper? I understand those imports don't have so much duty but even so.

Competition is healthy in lowering prices and improving quality and making the retailers work a little harder to make things attractive for the consumer.
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Re: Shopping in Germany

Well for starters, you have to consider that a business in CH has to buy land at the Swiss price, has to pay labour with the Swiss wages and so on. Selling the product with German prices does not make any sense at all. I am sure we all agree we wouldn't do it ourselves.
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T He said" I'm Swiss and I only buy in Switzerland as I get paid here" and said quite friendly that if majority goes to Germany for shopping the Swiss people will loose jobs therefore its an ethical thing to do.
If all people thought like that, then perhaps the majority of products would not have a "Made in China" tag! We would have kept local industries, and local expertise would have been kept alive and handed down from parent to child.

Yes, things would be more expensive, but perhaps we would also have fewer landfills.
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Re: Shopping in Germany

In the doctor's waiting room today I read a copy of a Swiss magazine (in German) called Schweizer Familie http://www.schweizerfamilie.ch/ perhaps you could buy this magazine and give it to your friendly Swiss neighbour, who is very misinformed.

On page 28 is a very interesting 4 page article by Rudolf Stram, he is a retired ex-government price controller, & ex-Swiss parlimentarian. You might call him a "left leaning know it all".

He relates how the Swiss Cartel laws are stifling every Swiss family economy. How the cartels are adding Fr 100 per week to a family's food bill etc etc. How Swiss farmers are prevented from buying agricultural products (Feedstuff and fertilisers) in Germany and how they are forced to buy from Swiss agents, whom in turn buy from German agents in Switzerland. How these importers are able to add on, up to 100% to the prices that Migros and Coop have to pay for cosmetics etc etc.

This man states that every Swiss has a right to a fair price, and families have the right to buy stuff outside Switzerland if necessary, and should not be ashamed! In the Swiss parliament there is a strong lobby by EconomieSuisse to avoid any changes to the cartel laws.

So please, buy this magazine, or go to the doctor's surgery, and read it through: it is very enlightening. Of course if Switzerland were fully integrated into the EU, these cartel laws would be illegal.

Funny how they left that bit out of all the agreements with the EU isn't it?

Rudolf Stram http://www.rudolfstrahm.ch/biographie/
Member of parliament 1991 to 2004. Government price controller 2004 to 2008. http://www.rudolfstrahm.ch/category/wirtschaftspresse/

These are the people opposed to removing the cartels,
http://www.economiesuisse.ch/de/PDF%...ilhandel_d.pdf
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Well for starters, you have to consider that a business in CH has to buy land at the Swiss price, has to pay labour with the Swiss wages and so on. Selling the product with German prices does not make any sense at all. I am sure we all agree we wouldn't do it ourselves.
So how much more should something cost here to take all that into account? 100% more? 200% more, 400% more?
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In the doctor's waiting room today I read a copy of a Swiss magazine (in German) called Schweizer Familie http://www.schweizerfamilie.ch/ perhaps you could buy this magazine and give it to your friendly Swiss neighbour, who is very misinformed.

On page 28 is a very interesting 4 page article by Rudolf Stram, he is a retired ex-government price controller, & ex-Swiss parlimentarian. You might call him a "left leaning know it all".

He relates how the Swiss Cartel laws are stifling every Swiss family economy. How the cartels are adding Fr 100 per week to a family's food bill etc etc. How Swiss farmers are prevented from buying agricultural products (Feedstuff and fertilisers) in Germany and how they are forced to buy from Swiss agents, whom in turn buy from German agents in Switzerland. How these importers are able to add on, up to 100% to the prices that Migros and Coop have to pay for cosmetics etc etc.

This man states that every Swiss has a right to a fair price, and families have the right to buy stuff outside Switzerland if necessary, and should not be ashamed! In the Swiss parliament there is a strong lobby by EconomieSuisse to avoid any changes to the cartel laws.

So please, buy this magazine, or go to the doctor's surgery, and read it through: it is very enlightening. Of course if Switzerland were fully integrated into the EU, these cartel laws would be illegal.

Funny how they left that bit out of all the agreements with the EU isn't it?

Rudolf Stram http://www.rudolfstrahm.ch/biographie/
Member of parliament 1991 to 2004. Government price controller 2004 to 2008. http://www.rudolfstrahm.ch/category/wirtschaftspresse/

These are the people opposed to removing the cartels,
http://www.economiesuisse.ch/de/PDF%...ilhandel_d.pdf
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Excellent stuff Sbrinz, thanks.


I meet him occasionally and after next meet I don't think he will talk to me anymore


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I meet him occasionally and after next meet I don't think he will talk to me any more.


Thanks to all who replied. Surprisingly I cannot find the thanks button.
Do you mean your neighbour?

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Re: Shopping in Germany

I'm very familiar with this sentiment and some of our Swiss aquaninces were very adamant about not buying IKEA furniture and the like. I think I'd prefer to support Switzerland but not necessarily in the form most accessible to me re: Migros and Coop.

at the end of the day the trips across the border don't really weigh on my conscience.
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Today I had an interesting conversation with my neighbor in the parking lot. We said the usual hellos and then he mentioned that he was doing his mobel ( furniture) shopping.


I asked why don't you go to Germany because the prices are quite good. He said" I'm Swiss and I only buy in Switzerland as I get paid here" and said quite friendly that if majority goes to Germany for shopping the Swiss people will loose jobs therefore its an ethical thing to do.


whenever I get a chance I go to Germany for all my shopping. But this conversation got me thinking..


what do you guys think?
I think that your Swiss friend is right. If everyone does not support the swiss economy, how does this economy support swiss salaries? Having this in mind, I buy mostly from Switzerland.
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Re: Shopping in Germany

Any excuse to shop in Germany I take without hesitation. Its only 15-30 mins max depending which town I head for, germany has a much better selection and prices kill switzerland prices.

As far as any guilt for earning here and spending elsewhere, never enters my thoughts. Its my money and I can choose how I spend it. If I spend in germany then I have more left over.
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I think that your Swiss friend is right. If everyone does not support the swiss economy, how does this economy support swiss salaries? Having this in mind, I buy mostly from Switzerland.
Even when it's something like German toothpaste where it's the German distributor who slaps on the massive price increase for any product destined for Switzerland?

Or the proudly Swiss Solis-branded coffee machine we bought which was actually a re-branded German one which was actually a re-branded Australian one which had been designed superbly, in Australia?

We buy, wherever possible, fruit, vegetables and meat grown/reared in Switzerland but for other stuff I'm a bit more selective.
K-Tipps and other Swiss consumer magazines (which support Swiss consumers) have some good articles about being ripped-off.
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Today I had an interesting conversation with my neighbor in the parking lot. We said the usual hellos and then he mentioned that he was doing his mobel ( furniture) shopping.


I asked why don't you go to Germany because the prices are quite good. He said" I'm Swiss and I only buy in Switzerland as I get paid here" and said quite friendly that if majority goes to Germany for shopping the Swiss people will loose jobs therefore its an ethical thing to do.


whenever I get a chance I go to Germany for all my shopping. But this conversation got me thinking..


what do you guys think?
I see more of the my Swiss neighbours in Germany than I do in my own village!

There are significant savings shopping in Germany. I don't feel the least bit guilty shopping there. Living minutes from the border it is easier for me to shop in Germany than in Switzerland.
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Re: Shopping in Germany

I say do what you can afford and what is right for you.

I will buy things in Germany as long as the price of items plus transport to get to Germany remains significantly cheaper than buying the same item in Switzerland.
For a family of say, 5, just the price of cosmetics, clothes (bought during winter and summer sales) and non-prescription meds can add up to an incredibly high price in CH depending on what one prefers (even excluding reclaimed VAT of 19%). If buying the same items in 2-3 trips a year to Germany can save 30-50% of the Swiss price and one isn't swimming in money, I don't see why one shouldn't go there to shop.
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Re: Shopping in Germany

It makes sense: The quality is as good as in Switzerland and the only difference are 6 kilometer and the price. And the best is, I get the tax back.
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Re: Shopping in Germany

Well, it depends on what it is. Beiersdorf and other cheap stuff is cheaper in Germany, infact,
however, I doubt that Shiseido or Kanebo are.
Overall quality in Germany does not reach Swiss standard, at least not speaking the same niche.
And frankly spoken, I don't want the German trash. If I eat chips, I want Zweifel, if chewing gums, V6. Coffee Italian or Swiss, please, but for sure nothing german or any other germanic hopeless cases. Zumutung. We call that garbage. And the offer in Germany on foreign brands is not good, but rather small. What do Germans know about food?

Some basic grocery stuff like bread, some vegetables and seasonal fruit in Switzerland is not more expensive than in Germany. Cheese is (if one doesn't consider Special offers, which are not rare in CH), and of course, meat (for obvious reasons). But one could live without the latter (reducing animal slaughter and transport, which is especially important in the EU); yoghurt is not so expensive, on the other hand.


Same procedure with regards to clothing: The cheap international stuff is cheaper in Germany, the good quality cheaper in CH. And again: What do the Germans know about clothing? They look like Americans.


For some extend, this is valid imho also regarding Italy, only that in Italy products, especially on culinary items, are far better than in Germany or any Northern European country.
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Re: Shopping in Germany

It's not just down to the cost of property and wages that Swiss prices are high. Companies get together and "fix" prices here, rather than competing… all the hairdressers for example in a town will charge almost exactly the same.
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