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Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

I am surprised to see that some mothers take their dogs into playgrounds along with their children. There are no notices prohibiting them and they are generally well-behaved but is toxocariasis ( and other infections) not a problem in Switzerland?
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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

Is there a higher risk of infection by your dog at a playground versus at your home? I don't know anything about dogs so...
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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

I don't think so.... but if your dogs have been exposed to children best take him to the vet for a check up as kids carry a bunch of horrid diseases

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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

Check your local Hundereglement. It may very well be illegal to let dogs into the Playground. I never saw any signs in our town either but one cheerful Swiss lady let me know that I was breaking the law. I checked the rules and sure enough, she was correct. Check yours and you may be able to be that person to talk to the mothers.

I would never let my dog take a crap in the playground but I don't really see much harm in letting them sit down next to my park bench while I'm watching my kids play.
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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

My dogs are better behaved than my children! Also kids love having dogs around, unless of course their parents intolerance and fears have rubbed off on the kids in which case, poor kids.
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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

I'm sure that's the case. But does anyone know about toxocariasis incidence in Switzerland. Having known a child be blinded in one eye by ocular toxocariasis, it's not an idle question even if it is Friday!
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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

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My dogs are better behaved than my children! Also kids love having dogs around, unless of course their parents intolerance and fears have rubbed off on the kids in which case, poor kids.

I do not feel it is fair to always blame the parents! My kids are dog weary depending on the size, I don't think this is my fault. I'm not a dog person due to allergies.
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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

I very often tie my (small) dog to the stroller while at the playground. It never was an issue.

Quite often kids come to pat the dog, and I use it as a nice teaching occasion about how to approach dogs.

Since my dog is tied close to the stroller, it's not an issue for scared kids as the dog doesn't get in their way.
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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

Toxocariasis is only a problem from dog crap. As long as the dogs aren't crapping - or if they do, it isn't being left - then it shouldn't be a problem ...... apart from the atypical Swiss gay abandonment of any anti-canine regulations.
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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

Very rare in dogs in Switzerland- and as said, the vast majority of dog owners would not let a dog foul a kids' playground, or would pick up properly and immediately. If they didn't, I would certainly give them a piece of my mind.

The biggest problem is foxes on kids' play areas- that are much more likely to carry the disease.
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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

Switzerland, so local rules apply. Generally dogs have to be on a lead. We avoid the playground with our retriever as many parents are allergic to him (he loves kids and it is usually reciprocated). Worming tablets, picking up the turds etc means that toxicariosis should not be an issue
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I'm sure that's the case. But does anyone know about toxocariasis incidence in Switzerland. Having known a child be blinded in one eye by ocular toxocariasis, it's not an idle question even if it is Friday!
A quick Google search seems to indicate it's rare, but does happen. All of these sources are at least 20 years old, so maybe someone else can find more current figures?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3764384

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6635640

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this PDF from the Journal of Clinical Microbiology:
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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

I had read those papers but as you say, they are not very helpful. Switzerland is mainly mentioned because the ELISA kit commonly used is manufactured by a Swiss lab.
Hence I sought the 'perceived wisdom' of the well-informed dog owners of EF.
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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

I don't get this . We always had dogs at home as kids and there were always other dogs around.

1. Dog poo should be picked up by owner in CH so should not be an issue.
2. Dog should be on a lead so there should be no problem.
3. And most importantly… teach your child not to touch dog poo and there won't be a problem.
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I am surprised to see that some mothers take their dogs into playgrounds along with their children. There are no notices prohibiting them and they are generally well-behaved but is toxocariasis ( and other infections) not a problem in Switzerland?

The regulations about dogs and cats are rather strict with vaccinations, controls etc. So much for the theory. Practice. Take any dog and walk through a residential neighbourhood and lots of children will ask whether they can *schtreichle" and if yes they do, and many Dogs love to lick children, either face or whatever -- and this also applies to Dogs in contact with human adults -- My Jeans get regularily cleaned as many Dogs love to lick them and I hope that I do not spread infections all around
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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

It has only been mentioned once, but domestic cats and foxes are also carriers. If your child is crawling, don't take it to a playground.

Are we discussing parasites...
Definitionen von toxocariasis

infection of a human with the larvae of toxocara worms, causing illness and a risk of blindness from cyst formation in the eye.
"Posterior uveitis has a range of clinical manifestations and is associated with several conditions, including syphilis, tuberculosis, human immunodeficiency virus infection, toxocariasis and fungal diseases."

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It has only been mentioned once, but domestic cats and foxes are also carriers. If your child is crawling, don't take it to a playground.

We ALL are "carriers" -- so what
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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

Dogs shouldn't be at playgrounds. Full stop.
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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

Certainly the case in the UK, where all playgrounds with equipment are fenced and clear signs posted everywhere. You try and take a dog, even a small dog on the lead, and people will soon let you know you are not allowed there. Generally speaking, due to dogs being registered and taxes paid + SKN course, etc, I'd say there are fewer badly behaved owners here (generally I said...there are still too many sad exceptions). People who will park near play areas, let the dog out to run around and do their business in the play area whilst they are having a fag and on mobile phone- call dog back and off.

At all the schools I taught at in the UK, we had many local people who would come in the evening to walk their dogs on the football/rugby ptich- let their dog poo and pee everywhere, not pick up- and kids would be expected to do their sport's lesson there- so out of order.

As said, problem here is mainly with foxes at night- so parents still need to be vigilant and look around when they take kids to playground- especially toddlers.
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Re: Dogs in childrens' playgrounds

To repeat what has been discussed ad infinitum in other threads, dog control is regulated at both the cantonal and Gemeinde levels. (Dog welfare, which also includes aspects of control, is regulated at the federal level.)

Ormsby, your location says Schwyz. Is that town, or canton?

The cantonal regulations for canton SZ a are summarized here:

http://www.tierimrecht.org/de/tiersc...cht/schwyz.php

This lays out the general regulations across the canton, but you would need to look at your Gemeinde regulations for a list of the places dogs are not allowed.

SZ is unique among the cantons in that it imposes a general leash law. Dogs are to be on lead in public areas. Let me emphasize that SZ is the only canton where this is the case; in all others the default is that dogs are allowed off lead unless the area or time is designated leash restricted.

(That a dog should be given daily off lead exercise is anchored in the Federal animal welfare law, thus the default position in all other cantons.)

SZ also requires owners to pick up after their dogs, this at the cantonal level.

So Ormsby, if you don't understand local law or if you have concerns that local law is not being followed speak to your Gemeinde in the first instance.

That said, while SZ law is clear, attitudes towards compliance and enforcement practices vary. My Gemeinde is strict, issuing on the spot fines.* A neighboring village takes a much more lax attitude. YMMV as it always does in Schwyz and in Switzerland.


* ETA:

Actually, that's not quite the case. In my village, as in many small villages, whether there are consequences to choosing not to follow a law, any law, is entirely dependent on one's status in the village.

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