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Ceiling light and installer recommendations?

Hi all,

Just moved into our flat (it's a new build < 4 yrs old) and there are 8 places where we need to install ceiling lights.

I'm looking for two recommendations please:

1) best bang-for-buck light that offers bight lighting that looks good. Requirements are it has to be bright, relatively cheap, and most importantly leave no permanent holes in the ceiling (when we eventually move out I do not want any penalties/fines because of mounting lights

2) installer recommendations - what is the going rate now-a-days?

I searched some older threads re this topic and found some that are 3-4 years old so keen to understand going rate and any new options available for lighting.

Danke!
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1) Several of these avant garde and noveaux art deco pieces, which I think I have seen in the Guggenheim NY, or the Tate Modern, or the Kunsthaus Zurich, sorry I do not remember where exactly, but it is very arty and not so pricy

plus some super bright halogen bulb, like a 116W Osram Superstar.

2) Mr. Screwdriver is relatively cheap and reliable.


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Re: Ceiling light and installer recommendations?

Thanks but I don't see how I can install these without impacting the wall? Here's a photo of what I'm talking about
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http://www.rentarentner.ch/



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Re: Ceiling light and installer recommendations?

Try Joe the handy man at joethehandyman.ch.
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Thanks but I don't see how I can install these without impacting the wall? Here's a photo of what I'm talking about
You are going to impact the wall with pretty much any light. You just need to do what everyone else does and put a bit of filler/toothpaste/whatever in and dab with paint if needed.
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You are going to impact the wall with pretty much any light...
Yup. Another alternative is to just use standing floor lamps if you're that concerned. Although I'd have trouble getting around if I put one in my kitchen.

If you do opt for ceiling lamps - I'd recommend ones where the bulbs are easy to replace (usually the threaded type), as opposed to ones where you have to practically dismantle the whole thing to replace the bulb (halogens).
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Yup. Another alternative is to just use standing floor lamps if you're that concerned. Although I'd have trouble getting around if I put one in my kitchen.

If you do opt for ceiling lamps - I'd recommend ones where the bulbs are easy to replace (usually the threaded type), as opposed to ones where you have to practically dismantle the whole thing to replace the bulb (halogens).

Less and less halogens now, more LED where the bulbs don't need replacing (so they tell us....)
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Less and less halogens now, more LED where the bulbs don't need replacing (so they tell us....)
We only have one LED lamp and so far it's not needed any replacement bulbs (touch wood). However we do have several halogens that we purchased when we first moved here - and they make my life miserable.
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Hi all,

Just moved into our flat (it's a new build < 4 yrs old) and there are 8 places where we need to install ceiling lights.

I'm looking for two recommendations please:

1) best bang-for-buck light that offers bight lighting that looks good. Requirements are it has to be bright, relatively cheap, and most importantly leave no permanent holes in the ceiling (when we eventually move out I do not want any penalties/fines because of mounting lights

2) installer recommendations - what is the going rate now-a-days?

I searched some older threads re this topic and found some that are 3-4 years old so keen to understand going rate and any new options available for lighting.

Danke!
That probably means Ikea then as they will get you the most light for your money.From your picture I don't think you aren't going to get away without making some holes in the ceiling whatever you chose. You can buy butterfly hooks for lights with pendant type fittings, but it doesn't look like you have room for those I'm afraid. As long as any holes are in the immediate vicinity of the power outlet, it normally isn't too much of an issue, but if your careful a little white filler will work fine and often doesn't need a repaint.
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Re: Ceiling light and installer recommendations?

Contact EF member OFX for installation. Here is link to the recommendation I wrote recently.

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Thanks but I don't see how I can install these without impacting the wall? Here's a photo of what I'm talking about
You can use these. You rotate the hook and they expand and fix on the sides of the ceiling hole. They come in various sizes.

http://www.macromarkt.ch/baumarkt/el...-mm-durchmeser
http://www.hauswartshop24.ch/ersatzt...haken-28-40-mm
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Thanks but I don't see how I can install these without impacting the wall? Here's a photo of what I'm talking about
Can't tell from picture what's the hole diameter, but if it's 4cm or more you are good to go, dont worry. You can buy ceiling hooks specially made for holes, they have a patent and are very easy to use. Hooks are extendable, just put hook in hole and screw clock wise, hook will extend and catch the side walls inside the hole. That's it after that you can hang whatever on it without damaging anything. Dont have a pic from the hook right now, but I think you can buy them in Jumbo, Coop bau+hobby or any other hobby store. Just pay attention on diameter cos there are few sizes.
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You can use these. You rotate the hook and they expand and fix on the sides of the ceiling hole. They come in various sizes.

http://www.macromarkt.ch/baumarkt/el...-mm-durchmeser
http://www.hauswartshop24.ch/ersatzt...haken-28-40-mm
Yeah, this one, Didn't saw previous post!
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Butterfly fixing are designed to bite into the nylon ceiling boss in a concrete ceiling or the wooden boss in an older ceiling as these are fixed and therefore secure, and not suitable for hollow board or placo. From the picture you can't tell ceiling construction, but if it is the cable gang that is exposed, it is likely to be 20mm and the minimum diameter for butterflies is normally 28mm. If it is the gang showing, then that is likely to small for butterflies, and gang is normally NOT a secure thing to attach anything to. So whilst handy things, butterflies aren't always a solution.

Mitz, don't over stress on the odd small hole around a light fitting, whilst tough the Swiss do expect that some holes will be made.... just not loads and not looking like you used a bazooka.
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We only have one LED lamp and so far it's not needed any replacement bulbs (touch wood). However we do have several halogens that we purchased when we first moved here - and they make my life miserable.
I was told a long time ago and i cannot vouch if it is true as i'm no electrician, but it does make sense :

You need to make sure all the bulbs on a halogen installation are working all the time as if 1 bulb on a string of say 5 is broken, the other 4 get too much juice and blow quicker.

True or not, no idea, but sounds like it makes sense.

Look around you can change most halogen bulbs now with LED, it's expensive to start with, but depending how often you need to change halogen bulbs, may make sense.

Hornbach have a reasonably good selection.
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Re: Ceiling light and installer recommendations?

The large domed glass fittings at IKEA are great for the money, they take 3 bulbs looks ok in a modern white ceiling are really bright (assuming you fit good bulbs ie NOT from Ikea) and are only about chf40 a go
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I was told a long time ago and i cannot vouch if it is true as i'm no electrician, but it does make sense :

You need to make sure all the bulbs on a halogen installation are working all the time as if 1 bulb on a string of say 5 is broken, the other 4 get too much juice and blow quicker.

True or not, no idea, but sounds like it makes sense.

Look around you can change most halogen bulbs now with LED, it's expensive to start with, but depending how often you need to change halogen bulbs, may make sense.

Hornbach have a reasonably good selection.
There are two types of halogen lights in common use:
1. Lamps that work on 220 Volts
2. Lamps that work on 12/24 Volts

First you can use straight attached to your ceiling wires and you can put one or couple it doesn't matter. But they have a reputation of shorter life.

Second one needs transformator EG from 220/12v. And the easiest way to calculate how strog trafo you need is to sum Watts of your lights. Example: if you have 5 lights bubble's every bubble have 35w you calculate 5x35w=175w so the minimum trafo has to be 175w for lamps to work (you can use higher watts eg 200w for this situation).

If one one bulbs die other will work WO problem, can't say about consuption but I think the trafo is one who takes your power juice.

My advice if you already have everything fixed take one bulb out, check Volts and Watts (EG 12V/35W) than buy same shaped bulbs but Led's they would be 12v/3,6W or something similar. So if you change 5 of them you will have ~150W less consumption.
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Re: Ceiling light and installer recommendations?

Thank you all for the responses! I will buy the expanding hooks and check the diameter size.

Now for the wiring, it looks relatively straight forward - match the colours, squeeze the white plastic end (from the ceiling) and insert the wire (from the light). As it's a newer building (4 years old) can it be this simple or am I over simplifying?
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Thank you all for the responses! I will buy the expanding hooks and check the diameter size.

Now for the wiring, it looks relatively straight forward - match the colours, squeeze the white plastic end (from the ceiling) and insert the wire (from the light). As it's a newer building (4 years old) can it be this simple or am I over simplifying?
Well, cut the power before you start playing with wires...but otherwise yes it's pretty simple in newer buildings.
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