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Old 13.04.2015, 00:07
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Re: RAV vs Sozial [returning Swiss citizen]

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Tomorrow is my first consultation with RAV.
I'm scared as f###, i don't know what to do.
I'm not prepared yet.

If ever I don't get any unemployment benefits from RAV can I go to Sozial instead? But my swiss side doesn't want me to go there because of ''pride''.

English forum is my only friend right now.

So there...

Life..

But your swiss side is "scared"
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Old 04.05.2015, 20:42
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So I went to Sozial....

I have no choice.

I had a fight with my father.

Sozial is asking for papers from my father (e.g how much he earns/ how much he's paying the rent, etc..)

Question:
What if he's earning more than he spends? Will the Sozial gave me some money? Can he get jailed for that? Can I get an assurance that he should gave a certain amount of money to me???



I hate this place, I'm sick of it.
I'm losing my sanity here. I'm having a hard time integrating.

My father can't help me. I know he works and has enough money but sometimes he's so evil and he treats me like shit.

I have lost my respect to him.

He doesn't want me to prosper in life. What kind of father who doesn't want his daughter to prosper in life?

You know, it is such a pity that I am Swiss but I didn't grew up here. Sozial said that I'm a special case. Like duh?!
He doesn't want me to be here eversince. What kind of father is he?

He also threatens my Mom that he would kill her if she files for divorced.
I'm pushing for divorced for the both of them, is there any place I can go? Any lawyer around?

HELP!!!!!
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Old 04.05.2015, 20:54
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Re: So I went to Sozial....

a) How old are you?

b) No, he can't go to jail for earning more than he spends.

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Old 04.05.2015, 20:55
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Re: So I went to Sozial....

So, your choices are living off your father or the State?
What about working? Oh, I forgot, you are a lady

RAV vs Sozial [returning Swiss citizen]
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Re: So I went to Sozial....

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So, your choices are living off your father or the State?
What about working? Oh, I forgot, you are a lady

RAV vs Sozial [returning Swiss citizen]
Or find a rich husband, quite common in these parts.
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Re: So I went to Sozial....

There is probably a good reason why your father didn't want you to go to the Social- because if he can afford it, he is responsible for you. And it perhaps is because he earns a lot more, or owns shares, property or other stuff, than he pays taxes for, perhaps- and he is likely to be found out if the Social get him investigated.

Don't know what the answer is - but can you really expect the tax-payer to pick up the bill for you? I thought you had a job- otherwise maybe you can get a job as an Au Pair, where you can get accommodation and a language course as part of the deal.
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Old 04.05.2015, 21:05
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Re: So I went to Sozial....

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There is probably a good reason why your father didn't want you to go to the Social- because if he can afford it, he is responsible for you.
Depends on her age (which is why I asked).

And yes, I know/have known people on sozial with parents that could afford to support them, but they were adults over the age of 25.

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Re: So I went to Sozial....

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There is probably a good reason why your father didn't want you to go to the Social- because if he can afford it, he is responsible for you. And it perhaps is because he earns a lot more, or owns shares, property or other stuff, than he pays taxes for, perhaps- and he is likely to be found out if the Social get him investigated.

Don't know what the answer is - but can you really expect the tax-payer to pick up the bill for you? I thought you had a job- otherwise maybe you can get a job as an Au Pair, where you can get accommodation and a language course as part of the deal.
Ok, not a lot of details here, but the EF reply are beyond heartless ! Why is it you lot are like a bunch of carrions waiting for the next flesh of a poster, that is obviously, most likely, young and not savvy to this forum !! You all embarrass me and put off so many people to this forum !
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Old 04.05.2015, 21:15
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Ok, not a lot of details here, but the EF reply are beyond heartless !
So where are your comments and suggestions then?
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Old 04.05.2015, 21:16
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Ok, not a lot of details here, but the EF reply are beyond heartless ! Why is it you lot are like a bunch of carrions waiting for the next flesh of a poster, that is obviously, most likely, young and not savvy to this forum !! You all embarrass me and put off so many people to this forum !
Well, she's old enough to have a degree in microbiology.

And she wants to get money for nothin', because a 'lady' can't do farm work for some reason.
Father works and has money but Op just wants to skip straight to the money part...
I sure hope my hard-earned tax chuffs don't have to help support her lazy ass sense of entitlement...
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Old 04.05.2015, 21:20
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Re: So I went to Sozial....

Okay, radical suggestion here, but have you looked for jobs in the UK? Swiss nationals have the right to live and work there, same as EU nationals. You wouldn't have the language problem and I would think there may be some areas where your degree would be useful.

www.monster.co.uk

See what you can find and apply for any that interest you.
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Old 04.05.2015, 21:21
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Depends on her age (which is why I asked).

And yes, I know/have known people on sozial with parents that could afford to support them, but they were adults over the age of 25.

Tom
For relatives in a direct line, for example parent to child (or in reverse), there is no age limit on the duty of support. At least, that is what it implies here (key word: Verwandtenunterstützungspflicht) : (ger) http://www.verwandtenunterstuetzung....che-grundlagen
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Old 04.05.2015, 21:27
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Ok, not a lot of details here, but the EF reply are beyond heartless ! Why is it you lot are like a bunch of carrions waiting for the next flesh of a poster, that is obviously, most likely, young and not savvy to this forum !! You all embarrass me and put off so many people to this forum !
Threads merged to keep relevant replies together.

Laurie, I agree some of the comments can be very off-putting, particularly when you don't know a user's history and are reading a thread as if it's a brand new story. We can come across as a pretty mean bunch.

In this case, it seems OP did not plan very well and is struggling with re-integration. She's posted numerous threads, and I think some of the senior members are getting a tad frustrated by that. For context, here is OP's backstory:

Moving to switzerland soon! Kamusta?

My future daily struggle (hopefully not)

Laborantin/QA Analyst/Lab Technician [Bern area]

I need a job to kill time. 25 per hr maybe? Bern area. HELP!!!

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Old 04.05.2015, 21:45
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Re: So I went to Sozial....

My personal experiences demonstrate that this is NOT true.

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Old 04.05.2015, 21:48
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My personal experiences demonstrate that this is NOT true.
That what is not true?
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Old 04.05.2015, 22:08
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Re: So I went to Sozial....

@st2lemans - i am 25 yrs old. There are a lot of things that is left unsaid here, (this is only the introduction) if you don't believe me then I can show you how my living condition is. You can even talk to my Mom via skype if you want. I have already met a person here in Bern who told me that he understands my situation.

@JMarple - I want him to pay for all the things that he have done to me and my mom. I'm suffering not just financially but emotionally too. What about working?? Yeah, i tried and i'm still waiting and waiting and waiting and a bunch of rejection emails.. blah..blah.blah..blah.. oh maybe I can wash your ass if you want to, will charge 25 chf for that.

@SOBEIT - finding a rich husband is not an option. Men sucks(a good example is my father). And probably I'm not planning to either. I never had a good father figure so probably I'm gonna die alone and I don't care about it.


Odile - if he earns a lot then why he only gave me 40 chf in one week? Is he even human at all? And oh, it's been two weeks and I still don't have money. Applying for an au-pair will takes months and months and I don't think they will hire me because I don't look friendly to kids, i'm afraid to say.


pilatus1 - getting money for nothing is not my goal here, i want to enroll in a deutschkurz and go see the other parts of Switzerland. Oh you talk abt farm work? I've done it and it's not something you would try believe me, been there done that, the next thing I know I'm a walking skeleton. Or probably dead. It's not what you think it is.

Medea Fleecestealer - No i havent. Well I don't think I can stand a chance with british girls with PhDs degrees. As a swiss citizen do I need some permit to work in UK?

me.anon - thank you for this. This helps a lot.


3Wishes - ok
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Old 04.05.2015, 22:13
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My personal experiences demonstrate that this is NOT true.

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I guess you are talking about "Verwandtenunterstützungspflicht" (duty of support of relatives). It could well be that there are differences in how it is interpreted and enforced across Switzerland, well, like a lot of things.
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Old 04.05.2015, 22:15
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pilatus1 - getting money for nothing is not my goal here, i want to enroll in a deutschkurz and go see the other parts of Switzerland. Oh you talk abt farm work? I've done it and it's not something you would try believe me, been there done that, the next thing I know I'm a walking skeleton. Or probably dead. It's not what you think it is.
Not something I would try? Ive spent many years working on farms - it is what I think it is. It's how most people on this planet have supported themselves for the past 10,000 years.

Grow up already. You're 25 years old and act like you're 12. Nobody wants to talk to your mom.
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Old 04.05.2015, 22:28
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Not something I would try? Ive spent many years working on farms - it is what I think it is. It's how most people on this planet have supported themselves for the past 10,000 years.

Grow up already. You're 25 years old and act like you're 12. Nobody wants to talk to your mom.
Well good for you! But I deserved more than this. I never grew up in a farm village so it's not easy for me. And I don't want to go the 'self-employed route'
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Old 04.05.2015, 22:32
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Re: RAV vs Sozial [returning Swiss citizen]

Nobody ever said life would be easy… though i'm sure your's isn't nearly as hard as you think.
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