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Old 06.04.2015, 19:39
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RAV vs Sozial [returning Swiss citizen]

Tomorrow is my first consultation with RAV.
I'm scared as f###, i don't know what to do.
I'm not prepared yet.

If ever I don't get any unemployment benefits from RAV can I go to Sozial instead? But my swiss side doesn't want me to go there because of ''pride''.

English forum is my only friend right now.

So there...

Life..
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Old 06.04.2015, 19:45
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Sorry I can't help, but good luck. Try not to worry, all will be fine in the end.
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Old 06.04.2015, 19:48
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I hope so.
I'm worried about my life.
The struggle is real.
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Old 06.04.2015, 19:52
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Re: RAV vs Sozial

How long have you lived/worked here?

Do you have assets?

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Old 06.04.2015, 20:03
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Re: RAV vs Sozial

If you only arrived in January it is unlikely that the RAV will give you any money. But as a returning Swiss citizen, they might be able to provide help with finding a job, training, and language classes.

If you need money, you'll have go to the social.
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Old 06.04.2015, 20:14
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Re: RAV vs Sozial

I'm a returning Swiss citizen.
I have nothing.
Just barely scratching the surface.

@miniMia - But will Sozial still give me money if they know that I've been to RAV?
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Old 06.04.2015, 20:18
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I'm a returning Swiss citizen.
I have nothing.
Just barely scratching the surface.

@miniMia - But will Sozial still give me money if they know that I've been to RAV?
Yes. They will probably send to you RAV anyway as I said, not for money but for help finding work.

Seriously. I don't understand your fear. You are not a criminal if you talk to RAV then social or vice versa. Both agencies know what you would be entitled to and not entitled to receive.
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Re: RAV vs Sozial

I want to go to Sozial but my swiss father doesn't want to.
He said if I go to Sozial, I can no longer live in our Gemeinde and I can forget about him
And live on my own

It's like he's crucifying me if I ever go to Sozial
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I want to go to Sozial but my swiss father doesn't want to.
He said if I go to Sozial, I can no longer live in our Gemeinde and I can forget about him
And live on my own

It's like he's crucifying me if I ever go to Sozial
So. Not sure what I can tell you. Is he paying your bills?

I can understand his point if he is already supporting you. It is a possibility that if you go to social you maybe have to pay it back or your family will be obliged to pay it back.

How's the job search going?
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Old 06.04.2015, 20:36
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Re: RAV vs Sozial

Yeah, he's paying the food, the rent, basic needs.
Just enough to survive.
And he said everything is for free but once I get a job, I need to pay him. 'My debts to my father'.
Not fun at all.

I did try to apply online but haven't heard from kellyservices yet.
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Old 06.04.2015, 21:14
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Re: RAV vs Sozial

Hello Filswiss,

Im really sorry about your situation. I hope here you find the advise you seek or at least some cheers.

My experience with RAV was really good, my adviser was really nice, I didnt get any money from them because I had never worked before in Switzerland but they provided great help. In order not to fear and be treated kindly, I suggest you prove you're giving your all to find a job. Because I preferred, most of my applications were online, I found out they (RAV) need proof of my applications and need every document I send to the employer, at the same time, online applications often are like surveys which are sent automatically to the firm but no copy to you, so I started making screenshots of all and send it as a file every time to her (my adviser). It worked well for some time and I have a lot to thank them for, however what I did was to go the Self employment route because on my area, work for someone else is really not worth.
Another advise I could give you, to have some pocket money while you search is to apply for some small jobs, I did also cat and home sitting, of course I did take note of the hours worked and income made and they (RAV) even give you like an incentive if you work some hours.
Another page I like a lot and still use occasionally (being a single mom of 2, I use any job i can get a hold of) is https://www.staff-finder.jobs/public/index its amazing because Im always getting job offers so if im running low on cash, that's a way to boost a bit my income. Also the way the page works, allows you to gather recommendations and people even get hired for good. I didn't read whats your area of expertise but this tips I just gave could at least help you get some cash while you get your dream job, without going to Sozial help and not getting to deep in debt with your dad.

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Thank you coconut. I tried to register on that website, what should I put on 'Firma name' ? I don't have a firma yet. I'm confused. :S

In where I live, it's hard to find a job. Mostly it's farming. And as a lady like me, I'm not used to farming.
So everyday I have to use the bahnhof to get to Bern. Which is expensive.
I have no choice.

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Old 06.04.2015, 23:27
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Wish you luck.
Talk to your Swiss father; if you go on the Sozial it is possible they will make your father contribute to your costs which could cost him more than you do at the moment.
If he throws you out and you have no place to live then it will cost the Sozial more and so eventually will cost your father even more!

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Thank you coconut. I tried to register on that website, what should I put on 'Firma name' ? I don't have a firma yet. I'm confused. :S

In where I live, it's hard to find a job. Mostly it's farming. And as a lady like me, I'm not used to farming.
So everyday I have to use the bahnhof to get to Bern. Which is expensive.
I have no choice.
Leave firma name blank

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Thank you coconut. I tried to register on that website, what should I put on 'Firma name' ? I don't have a firma yet. I'm confused. :S

In where I live, it's hard to find a job. Mostly it's farming. And as a lady like me, I'm not used to farming.
So everyday I have to use the bahnhof to get to Bern. Which is expensive.
I have no choice.
Knowing the Swiss I can understand why you dad is thinking like that. I think it is going to be OK if you don't worry.

So you have a Swiss passport and Pharma relevant degree!!! Very well done! Kerching! If you get a Pharma job you could soon pay him back! I would imagine 60K chf per year minimum for a graduate. Forget social, get job hunting!
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Old 07.04.2015, 00:09
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if you go on the Sozial it is possible they will make your father contribute to your costs which could cost him more than you do at the moment
Depends on your age. How old are you?

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Depends on your age. How old are you?
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...I'm 25...
I would think that's close to the age where the parent does not have to support her fully, but I am not positive.
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Re: RAV vs Sozial

Updates:

I had my first consultation last April 7 in RAV. Everything went smooth.
They told me I had to make an appointment with BIZ Bern-Mittelland.
I did call BIZ Bern-Mittelland, they set up an appointment for me and I should prepare and bring all my credentials.
Filling up forms. Still waiting for a news from SBFI.

Crossing my finger. Hopefully everything will be fine.
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Re: RAV vs Sozial [returning Swiss citizen]

Great news- but not quite sure in which way. You need to have been working for 12 months in last 24 to be eligible for unemployment benefits. Are they going to help you in other ways?
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Great news- but not quite sure in which way. You need to have been working for 12 months in last 24 to be eligible for unemployment benefits. Are they going to help you in other ways?
yeah about that too... I wasn't able to discuss about it.
But the letter that my consultant gave me for BIZ-Bern Mittelland is my next thing to do.
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...I did call BIZ Bern-Mittelland...Still waiting for a news from SBFI...
For those who don't know the acronyms:

BIZ = Berufsberatungs- und Informationszentren, roughly the occupational guidance center

SFBI = Staatsekretariat für Bildung, Forschung und Innovation, roughly the State Secretariat for Education, Research and Innovation

Based on this, I'd assume OP is not getting money directly (yet) but is perhaps eligible for some educational and job hunting assistance.

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