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Dear all,

Have been in Zurich city for a while now (Seebach), whilst the schools are good and the teachers hard working, I am finding now that the other kids are a bad influence on my brood (apologies to all those who feel I am being an arrogant twat), but one does what is best for their kids I guess.

So we have decided to move to a more affluent place, one place on the cards is Uetikon am See. Ok a bit isolated, not quite a street full of Indian, Turkish shops and the 4-5 barber shops, neither is their a tram and airport on your door step or a 7-11 Coop Pronto.

Anyone on this forum advise how we will fit in as a family in Uetikon. Are the schools as good as stated. Will the calibre of kids change, what is the commute to the city like, what about the wife being at home, is the gemeinder social? and lastly does the fact that the main political party is SVP make a difference? a few naive questions, but would like to know your thoughts on Uetikon am See.

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Old 07.04.2015, 21:47
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Re: Uetikon am See

Uetikon is like a smoked haddock: very nice, but very dead.

It's only a few minutes away from the big city, though, so you can escape as often as necessary.
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What ages are your kids? I am asking because there have been ongoing issues with the Sekundarschule here. There is an effort to apply a "self directed schooling" model which has terrified some parents, causing a flight of students to private schools. The system is not per se bad, but it is not appropriate for many. It demands quite a degree of self organisation, which many teens are not yet capable of.

The kindergarten, and elementary schools are fine, at least in my experience.

As for getting in trouble, I think the city is certainly a temptation, yet this small town situation as in Uetikon, is possibly more challenging because of boredom, and teens find ways to beat it....
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Thanks Simeon.

Child no 1 (8 years), Child no 2 (4 years, starts kindergarten this year)

Appreciate your advice.
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Re: Uetikon am See

I've heard the same from some of the parents of my students (I'm a music teacher and teach quite a few kids from that area).

I know of a few families that have moved from Uetikon to Meilen because of the Sekundarschule. But I've also heard that the primary school and kindergarten are great.

I'm in Meilen, which is right next door to Uetikon but which I think has more of a community feel, in part because it has more of an obvious centre with shops, sport facilities etc. An advantage of this is that my daughter can walk to everything by herself (handy because I'm busy teaching), such as sport, music etc.

I certainly feel the call of the city but I also appreciate coming home to Meilen, especially watching the mountains from the window as the train makes its way down the side of the lake!
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Good friend lives there. Dead as can be but for many people that is exactly what they want (myself included) Very close to the city also so thats a plus
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Re: Uetikon am See

Hi there,

I have lived in Uetikon am See until last year. My daughter attended the primary school for one year and the teachers are great with the possible exception of the head teacher who made promises and then forgot about them

The SEK on the other hand is a total nightmare, yes kids leave in droves and the school is based on the principle of a la carte learning, the kid does what he or she wishes, great if your child can learn by themselves but then why do they need a teacher at all? The teachers no longer taught but we like learning aids who were only approached for questions and who spend their time making new tests.
Teachers also started to leave very quickly.
All in all, UaS is a nice pretty place with lovely views and great facilities but in my opinion it seems to have grown a little too fast and lacks soul. I have moved a little further out and after 4 years in Uetikon having only met a few people, I am now in Uerikon, Stäfa for 1 year and have met loads of lovely people.

The Sek's in Meilen and Stäfa are much better if your kids are aiming for Gymi as can be seen by the number of students passing each year and for apprenticeship placements leaving Uetikon you would have to compete with those with better grades too.

All in all UaS looks great on paper but I found the reality quite different.
Just my thoughts and I know everyone is different, feel free to PM me about it.
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Uetikon is like a smoked haddock: very nice, but very dead.

It's only a few minutes away from the big city, though, so you can escape as often as necessary.

but on the snobbery coast,
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Re: Uetikon am See

We live there and it has it good and bad sides. Whilst a bit SVP it is one of the less snobby towns on the coast but misses out on sporting facilites, resturants and shopping. School is good until secondary then it is time to move. I would look at Meilen or Mannedorf, Stäfa was good but they have finance problems so tax has gone up but still less than Zurich generally. It is a bit like "what is the best beer?", I never had a bad one but some are better than others for me!! Express train S7 from Meilen gets you to ZHB in 15 min but can be a problem to get a seat in Meilen in the morning depending on travel time and excellent bus connections to the local train stations so a place near a bus stop is handy.
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Dear all,

Have been in Zurich city for a while now (Seebach), whilst the schools are good and the teachers hard working, I am finding now that the other kids are a bad influence on my brood (apologies to all those who feel I am being an arrogant twat), but one does what is best for their kids I guess.

So we have decided to move to a more affluent place, one place on the cards is Uetikon am See. Ok a bit isolated, not quite a street full of Indian, Turkish shops and the 4-5 barber shops, neither is their a tram and airport on your door step or a 7-11 Coop Pronto.

Anyone on this forum advise how we will fit in as a family in Uetikon. Are the schools as good as stated. Will the calibre of kids change, what is the commute to the city like, what about the wife being at home, is the gemeinder social? and lastly does the fact that the main political party is SVP make a difference? a few naive questions, but would like to know your thoughts on Uetikon am See.

Thank you so much.
Pino
A bit curious as to how you would define the other kids as "a bad influence on your brood" at ages 4 and 8 - as opposed to them being a slice of the general community. More money may actually be the source of bigger, more expensive bad influences as your children get a bit older.
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I think the OP was trying to say.

"I currently live in Seebach, but I find the place to be full of dirty filthy foreigners. I want to live somewhere more middle class, a location where I am more likely to be surrounded by the Nigella Lawsons and Alex Polizzi of this world. Precious Tarquin faces daily taunts for wearing tweed to school. etc etc"
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Actually, I am one of the foreigners myself, what I have experienced is that I see generally a lack of ambition amongst the kids which is also supported by the school and parents, that's all. I grew up in Woolwich in London, hardly did me any harm, but times have changed. I didn't realise this forum was set up so that people could make judgements on the OPs intentions. You are not in my shoes!

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No Mirch Masalas in Uetikon, might have to change my mind !

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I am moving to Uetikon Am See in a couple of weeks. All I can say, there is no such thing as a perfect or ultimate happiness area. But the opposite is true, there are nightmare areas or risky areas where you wouldn't want to try your chances.

I never thought UaS is one of the latter, so just go
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Something to think about is, that if the Sek is so bad and the current system is obviously not working, chances are, they will change the system by the time your kids reach Sek.
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Old 27.05.2015, 22:18
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I would like to share your optimism Swisscsnmom, but the problems with the Sek have been ongoing and for a few years now. The "obviously not working" is not the opinion of the school administration. They think they are on their way to adjusting and ironing out problems of the original "Selbstgesteuertes Lernen" concept. On the other hand , the system is self correcting in that the "smart" kids go to Gymnasium, the "rich" kids go to private school, and the rest stay and fight it out as best they can. Some of those are actually capable of self organisation thus giving the school a modicum of success, and the parents of the above kids the satisfaction that the system is fine. The rest have to spend a significant amount of time organizing their kids´ school work schedule, because the kids themselves are not able to .
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Too bad the administration is not recognizing the problem. My son also has some "self organized learning" sessions during his school week, SOL for short, we always laugh about it, because of what this stands for in English. But his are only 4 lessons a week. It works reasonably well here I think, and they use it for Math, German and history. They get a weekly plan of mandatory and additional optional work, that they have to complete, two more lessons in Math and German are used to introduce new concepts in the old fashioned way. They are removing history next year, as they have found it would be better to teach this subject in the traditional way. They were going to add more lessons of self directed learning, but having talked to other schools using the concept they are sticking to only 4 lessons for next year, as the other schools told them they had added too much self directed time and are now cutting down again. Sounds like your school is in this situation as well.
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Well, I can't speak to the school system, but I lived in uetikon for almost 5 years. (And my mom and stepdad have lived there since 2002.)

The ratio of playgrounds to children is something like 3:1, so the chances of your kids running into other kids at a playground are rather low, unless your kids use their iPhones to coordinate with the other kids on their iPhones.

It may be SVP on paper, but Uetikon gave Swiss citizenship to me, a pierced and tattooed homosexual 'Murican with a Spanish name. So I wouldn't really worry about that too much.

The big political debate in town is about construction: on the one hand, many residents resent the continuing explosion of the village population (from about 3000 to 6000 in the past 15 years or something), and the related loss of pastures and fields to ugly apartment blocks. And on the other, you've got the land owners who understandably want to cash in on the growing value of their land.

Other than that, it's a perfectly lovely, but absolutely dead, village with little in the way of amenities. Expect to be running to Meilen and Stäfa all the time, if not to Zurich or Rapperswil. You will definitely want to have a car. (They used to have Mobility cars in the village, but they eliminated them in favor of the ones down the hill at the station.)

One plus of Uetikon: the Thai restaurant at the station is absolutely phenomenal. It's worth going to even if you don't live there!!!
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