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You are mistaking human sprit with being a racist judgmental prick.
depending upon your line of work, being a judgmental prick may be part of the job description.

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Re: Is my boss a racist?

Let me help translate your advice: be a zombie! Whatever they tell you just shut your mouth and say yes sir whatever you say sir!
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I'm trying to help you, son. Drop it. Your boss is more powerful than you. You don't want to go around making enemies in a foreign country. If you go around judging other people for their foolish mistakes, sooner or later you will be judged in a like manner.

None of this is irrelevant. If you didn't want advice, why did you start this thread?

There's no helping some folk.
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Old 07.04.2015, 23:12
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depending upon your line of work, being a judgmental prick may be part of the job description.

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Old 07.04.2015, 23:15
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Could I do anything about it? Can he be sued? There were other people in that meeting but I doubt anybody would dare say anything.
Then no, you cannot reasonably hope to achieve anything.

If there are witnesses, and those witnesses decline to support your version of events, then why do you expect a judge to believe you instead of them?
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Old 07.04.2015, 23:16
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

There is always the possibility that the boss was Right
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Old 07.04.2015, 23:19
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

This was not an isolated statement. He'll be doing it again soon in front of some other crowd.

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Then no, you cannot reasonably hope to achieve anything.

If there are witnesses, and those witnesses decline to support your version of events, then why do you expect a judge to believe you instead of them?
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Old 07.04.2015, 23:19
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...I was merely trying to get an objective answer based on a single statement alas ...
Sorry, but no you weren't. You judged your boss to be a racist before you even started the thread, and hoped people would back you up. Not that you provided any evidence. Anywho, your boss is probably a jerk at the very least. I doubt you can get him fired over an offhand comment, but feel free to knock yourself out trying.
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

I suppose you should not discuss about this kind of work problems in forums, you should rather simply change job.

Don't try to change things either, it is pointless, the best way is to get up in the hierarchy and then prevent people like him to even breathe. Shut up and f**** them when you can. Otherwise, when you can't, just shut up.

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Re: Is my boss a racist?

I see your point people. So would that be OK to say such a thing on TV too? Where do we draw the line?
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Old 08.04.2015, 00:32
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I see your point people. So would that be OK to say such a thing on TV too? Where do we draw the line?
The line is:
- a business meeting is known to and attended by a limited number of people whos identities are well-known. That makes it a private event
- saying something to an unknown and basically unlimited number of people (e.g. broadcasting, streaming, blogging or replying on a public forum) whos identity is typically unknown, makes an action a public one
IIRC the Rassismus-Artikel may only be applied if a statement has been made in a public environment.

However, if he insulted you or your coutry fellowmen you may be able to sue him for üble Nachrede or similar, regardless of circumstances. But you'll need testimonies for that, if you don't get any you should consider the possibility that the problem may be on your side instead.
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There is always the possibility that the boss was Right
Doesn't your name imply that you are a Canadian? I am proud that as a general rule Canada is one of the countries with the least tolerance against racism in the world. In Canada someone with that comment loses his jobs on spot if reported and can get in to serious trouble. there is zero tolerance to racist comments where I grew up and worked. I actually love that about my country.
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Old 08.04.2015, 02:16
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

I think it's good that you showed your integrity by telling him that his aside was unacceptable in a business meeting.

Oh. No. You didn't. You called him a "racist judgmental prick" behind his back on a public forum and then groaned anyone that disagreed with you. Kind of ironic, really.
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I think it's good that you showed your integrity by telling him that his aside was unacceptable in a business meeting.

Oh. No. You didn't. You called him a "racist judgmental prick" behind his back on a public forum and then groaned anyone that disagreed with you. Kind of ironic, really.
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Old 08.04.2015, 06:52
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

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To which nationality was your boss referring?

Some stereotypes are entirely justified.
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"Klammer auf, XXXisch, Klammer zu",
Let me guess: Englisch?

I made the same experience as your boss...
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Old 08.04.2015, 09:05
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

"Nationality is not a race" while being true semantically, isn't something that is particularly stuck to in anti-racism law, where race and nationality are often conflated.

If you feel strongly about it, then your correct course of action is to raise a formal complaint - either with his boss or HR. You might like to check if your employer has a formal policy on racism.
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If you feel strongly about it, then your correct course of action is to raise a formal complaint - either with his boss or HR. You might like to check if your employer has a formal policy on racism.
Making a complaint looks like a losing situation to me. If the original comment were in email or otherwise recorded, then one would be on firmer ground to make a complaint. But if it's verbal (and if this person feels like he can say such things in the workplace indicating that he knows the average person there is not going to say anything against him) then a complaint to HR could easily end up as a my-word-against-yours. If you ever go to HR with anything like this then you need to have concrete evidence or witnesses that you can point at IMO, because things are going to get ugly.
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Old 08.04.2015, 11:10
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"Nationality is not a race" while being true semantically, isn't something that is particularly stuck to in anti-racism law, where race and nationality are often conflated.

If you feel strongly about it, then your correct course of action is to raise a formal complaint - either with his boss or HR. You might like to check if your employer has a formal policy on racism.
good advice. +1. thanks
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

No I have not YET! I'd like to think and consult before opening my mouth and bringing more BS on. Try it, it won't kill you.

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I think it's good that you showed your integrity by telling him that his aside was unacceptable in a business meeting.

Oh. No. You didn't. You called him a "racist judgmental prick" behind his back on a public forum and then groaned anyone that disagreed with you. Kind of ironic, really.
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Not if he talks about Romanians
...or Jews...

Israelis, sorry. To be politically correct and not accused of anti-Semitism.


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I was appalled when I head what my boss said in a meeting at work. Talking about performance of a coworker he said: That's all he can achieve. We cannot expect anything more from him. And then he said and I am quoting "Klammer auf, XXXisch, Klammer zu", referring to one of European nationalities. (not my nationality). For those who don't speak German it literally means: left parenthesis, That particular nationality, right parenthesis.
It's not the first time I am hearing such statements from him (even about my own nationality) but this time it was somehow different because I felt he was not kidding at all and he actually thinks so and the company is enabling him to making such remarks.
Could I do anything about it? Can he be sued? There were other people in that meeting but I doubt anybody would dare say anything.
Superhero, I really doubt you story is true. But check it out, I gave you a few green blobs because is a good troll thread for this forum. It brings out the deepest inner thoughts of EF-ers.
Though, I don't know, it's futile. You can't teach old dogs new tricks, as they say. What do you hope to achieve? You can talk with your company's HR department, if (very slim chances) your story is true.

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...or Jews...

Israelis, sorry. To be politically correct and not accused of anti-Semitism.
Don't you mean anti-semantic
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