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Don't you mean anti-semantic
The correct term is antisemiotic, silly.
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Apparently you are not aware of my superpower. Read post 10
Yeah, read it. If so, really strange for an international team/company.
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

Unless you have a day off superhero, your boss has now a genuine reason to fire you as you seem to spend your working time on EF?
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

There is a very simple test to determine if somebody is a racist.

If you agree with them, then they have the courage and balls to speak the truth and common sense as it really is and brush aside this PC nonsense. All kudos to them.

If you disagree with them, they are a vile racist, no better than Hitler.

By applying this very simple rule, you will always be able to distinguish real racists from people who just appear to be racist.
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Naturally I cannot reflect all his almost criminally behaviour here. I was merely trying to get an objective answer based on a single statement alas ...
But what was that single sentence? I didn't get it from the cryptic way you wrote it (American) or something!! But whatever it is, how can you form an opinion about a person based on just one single sentence he/she might have utterred. I go with DB here, people talk all sorts of non-sense, some more than others but it reflects poorly on us if we start judging people as this or that, indeed racist, simply based on what they say. Sometimes it is cultural, sometimes it is something you have picked up in your younger days and has become a manner of speaking to you and so on and so forth. Moreover, as somebody rightly pointed out, nationality doesn't always correspond to race.

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Partly true!
Right. So, back to you problem. What do you hope to achieve by sharing it with EFers.
Did you talk with your colleagues? HR?
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

EF forum best forum.

"Don't fight someone else's fight!"

"Grow some skin, he didn't insult you!"

"Yeesh it was private, it's fine to be prejudiced against another nation/race/whatever the semantic children want to call it in order to divert from the original question"

"Don't judge him!!!! He just said something privately!!!! That doesn't represent his views at all!!!!!"

"YOU'RE THE ASSHOLE FOR EVEN BEING ALIVE"

Maybe there is a ton more evidence that isn't necessary to share on the forum. Maybe OP is just asking whether or not there is some path to bring this issue up formally, via some civil-rights laws or the such. Maybe the OP comes from a place where victims of prejudiced thinking have no civil rights, or are treated with such venom that their basic safety is threatened. Who knows? I'm sure all the posters on this forum. They're always the best.

Because, in some countries, it actually is possible to stand up for the minorities, even if you aren't one of them. Wow, that's crazy! But it's true! You can actually file a complaint about a superior doing these things, and no, the goal isn't to get that superior fired... but perhaps get him/her warned to not use that language!

But, it's easier to sit back and relax and call someone else out because they may have taken the welfare of a coworker to heart. "Don't judge".

Holy cow! It's incredible! We want to make a workplace a little more level for everyone!

And for anyone (and "judging" by the replies, there's a few of you), who thinks maybe the guy/girl deserved the remark: maybe they did. But their culture/race/nation/again-whatever-the-semantic-children prefer did not. Of course, you all probably come from the best place in the world that only breeds the absolute best humans conceivable, and you have lived the best life ever that means you've never been in a position where you are judged before you get a chance to prove yourself.

"Grow thicker skin"

OP probably has a thicker skin than anyone telling him/her to relax by actually wanting to do something about a problem they perceive. However the hallowed jury of EF will make their judgement regardless... happy sunny Tuesday!

Sadly, I don't have anything useful to contribute that to the OP hasn't been written before. Check your company code, ethical code, or whatever. If it's a large-ish company they will probably have something in there about this sort of speech.

In my experience, you need to make a call on whether or not you can approach the boss personally about this. If you can pull them aside, or maybe over a beer be like "hey, why did you say X about Y? It's not really cool for everyone else from said place to be lumped under that label" you might be able to just talk it out and let them know that there are some things that make employees uncomfortable.

However, if the boss is the kind of person who will make your life a living hell for disagreeing with them, and you have the time/ability/possibility to fight, then that is not going to work in this regard.

To everyone thinking there's no such thing as equality companies, well here's my company's code word for word:

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At X, we treat each individual fairly. We do not tolerate discrimination against any individual on the basis of any non-performance-related characteristic. These characteristics include race, religion, gender, age, marital status, national origin, sexual orientation, citizenship status, disability, and other protected characteristics. We do not consider these factors when making decisions regarding recruiting, hiring, compensation, benefits, training, termination, promotions, or any other condition of employment or career development. This policy of non-discrimination is not limited to employees and potential employees, but extends to how we treat our partners, investors, customers, and fellow community members as well.
And before you inevitably jump to the conclusion that this is the most prudish place to work in the world, we probably get up to more trouble in the office than would stand in any other company I know of. But as the saying goes "know your audience".
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

This thread was like a cross-generational sitcom where the hopeful and enquiring young superhero full of Life’s Big Questions unfortunately keeps asking all these questions on the wrong side of drinking time (that’s the running joke, it's the same joke every week) to her Uncle, Gramps, and various other Old Men who still inhabit the furniture.



And they all start yelling: Never mind all that, you’ll be too old to marry soon. What’s wrong with arranged marriages anyway? How is that racist? The problem lies in how you talk. Then the young superhero realises what time it is, looks at the camera and shrugs. Fin.
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Old 08.04.2015, 13:40
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At X, we treat each individual fairly. We do not tolerate discrimination against any individual on the basis of any non-performance-related characteristic. These characteristics include race, religion, gender, age, marital status, national origin, sexual orientation, citizenship status, disability, and other protected characteristics. We do not consider these factors when making decisions regarding recruiting, hiring, compensation, benefits, training, termination, promotions, or any other condition of employment or career development. This policy of non-discrimination is not limited to employees and potential employees, but extends to how we treat our partners, investors, customers, and fellow community members as well.
I've worked for companies like that.

Take it as a rule of thumb that the better they are at producing convoluted Dilbertesque statements, the less they care about any of the real people who work there.

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How about the HR folks showing respect for people by not wasting their time? If Plato had written like this he would have filled 206 volumes, and probably nobody would ever have read him.
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In my experience, you need to make a call on whether or not you can approach the boss personally about this. If you can pull them aside, or maybe over a beer be like "hey, why did you say X about Y? It's not really cool for everyone else from said place to be lumped under that label" you might be able to just talk it out and let them know that there are some things that make employees uncomfortable.
Maybe it's just me but I assume if OP is asking about ways to sue his boss, he has already considered and rejected this as a possibility.

It doesn't matter whether he goes to HR instead of trying to bring a lawsuit. Either way the problem is the same: other people were there, and so if there is any kind of an investigation, what those people remember hearing (or say they remember hearing) will swing it. If the OP is indeed right that all of them would back the boss, then it's his word against everyone's and he starts to look like the troublemaker.

The best outcome he can hope for if he complains to HR would be that it's not investigated, just filed away somewhere as an unsubstantiated complaint. Next year, or ten years from now, maybe the boss slips up and puts something like this into an email, and during that investigation all the previous accusations including his are dragged back up. But that's a long game to play.

If it were me, and especially if I had any interest at all in keeping my job, I'd shut up, keep my head down and get on with my work - and wait for the boss to commit his unpalatable opinions to writing.
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But the OP is actually asking for our opinion and not just that, but an answer to his/her question. The title clearly says "Is my boss a racist?". So the OP didn't seem to be sure of that when the thread was started!! And we are just posting our opinion, just as you are

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I've worked for companies like that.

Take it as a rule of thumb that the better they are at producing convoluted Dilbertesque statements, the less they care about any of the real people who work there.

The short version of the above is



How about the HR folks showing respect for people by not wasting their time? If Plato had written like this he would have filled 206 volumes, and probably nobody would ever have read him.
Then you haven't worked here we have a strict policy of do whatever you want, when you want, how you want, where you want, as long as the results are up to snuff. Simple. Doesn't matter who you are, where you came from, etc.

Not saying the company is flawless (far from it), but having some text in a code (which isn't really complicated...) doesn't predicate it to be a place that doesn't care about its employees. And equality can be a real thing if it is encouraged. We've got people from every walk of life, and sometimes it's a bit hard to be neutral to everything (meeting a woman that was a man last month is a real blast ), but it's all good in the end.
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This was not an isolated statement. He'll be doing it again soon in front of some other crowd.
Then at that point you will get the opportunity to see how the HR policies at your company really work.

By the way, based on the thread title and your description of what was said, it is hard to infer it was a racist comment. Maybe nationalist, but not racist. Isn't putting people in boxes fun?
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I was appalled when I head what my boss said in a meeting at work. Talking about performance of a coworker he said: That's all he can achieve. We cannot expect anything more from him. And then he said and I am quoting "Klammer auf, XXXisch, Klammer zu", referring to one of European nationalities. (not my nationality). For those who don't speak German it literally means: left parenthesis, That particular nationality, right parenthesis.
It's not the first time I am hearing such statements from him (even about my own nationality) but this time it was somehow different because I felt he was not kidding at all and he actually thinks so and the company is enabling him to making such remarks.
Could I do anything about it? Can he be sued? There were other people in that meeting but I doubt anybody would dare say anything.
Don't superheros have better things to do than policing peoples' standards of Political Correctness ? Your poor boss has probably been driven to distraction, having to carry idle and underperforming foreigners on his payroll, and deserves sympathy and understanding, not condemnation. No doubt, though, he'll be impressed with your command of German - all that 'Klammer' stuff which you have told us. And good luck to you if you seek an ambulance chasing, 'no win no fee' lawyer this side of the Atlantic, to pursue a case for you.
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

Despite of all those accusations (being naive, being a Canadian and all) I still strongly believe making such discriminating remarks is not appropriate specially at a reputable company in Switzerland.

Anyway I am going to talk to the employee representation and ask his opinion/find out company specific rules on this subject.

PS. I don't think racism is the correct term for discriminating other nationalities either but I am not sure what the correct term would be.

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Despite of all those accusations (being naive etc) I still strongly believe making such discriminating remarks is not appropriate specially at a reputable company in Switzerland.

Anyway I am going to talk to the employee representation and ask his opinion/find out company specific rules on this subject.

PS. I don't think racism is the correct term for discriminating other nationalities either but I am not sure what the correct term would be.
Prejudice? http://sociology.about.com/od/Ask-a-...and-Racism.htm
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As I noted above, in many legal frameworks being anti a specific nationality is considered racism.

E.g. UK legal framework: http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/p...rpbcrbook.html Racial group – this means any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin. This could include Gypsies and Travellers, refugees, or asylum seekers or others from less visible minorities. There has been a legal ruling that Jews and Sikhs are included in the definition of racial group.

It's my experience that many (not all) people who try to say it's not racist to be beastly (e.g) to Scots (nationality) or Muslims (religion) are intent on covering up their rampant hate-filled xenophobia.
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