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Despite of all those accusations (being naive etc) I still strongly believe making such discriminating remarks is not appropriate specially at a reputable company in Switzerland.

Anyway I am going to talk to the employee representation and ask his opinion/find out company specific rules on this subject.

PS. I don't think racism is the correct term for discriminating other nationalities either but I am not sure what the correct term would be.
I have worked in many countries.

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In Switzerland they don't pay you to work.
They pay you to shut up and work.

You need to look at your own motivations, I think you have another issue you are venting with this action. Time to find someone to talk too.
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

Is this where your anger and lack of faith in society come from?

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Having worked in several shitty jobs in my previous life in England, I can tell you for a fact that small employer will screw you over much, much more effectively than any faceless corporation.

When you're at the bottom of the pile, you're going to get shafted anyway. At least it's an income.
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Is this where your anger and lack of faith in society come from?

Anger? What anger?


I'm not the one who's whinging about what some bloke might or might not have said in some meeting that probably never happened.
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Yes you are angry at the society and now trying to score by questioning my honesty.
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Anger? What anger?


I'm not the one who's whinging about what some bloke might or might not have said in some meeting that probably never happened.
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

Do you people remember when we all were young and had principles?
Judging by the replies, most of you don't .

More power to the OP if s/he wants to stand by them.

Now, would I do it, when it would probably mean career suicide? To my shame, no, I wouldn't. 20 years ago, when I believed in such things like equality and fair play, possibly, but I didn't have so much to lose.

It's a good thing we have young and feisty people who are prepared to fight for what they believe. Otherwise we'd be a bunch of middle aged conformists....oh, wait....
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It's a good thing we have young and feisty people who are prepared to fight for what they believe.
So you're condoning violent soccer hooligans?

This thread is running off the reality rails. It's not that superhero doesn't have a pleasant ethical streak, it's just the nature of the complaint is rather weak.

If the boss had said something like "That damn bluegger, comes over here from Blueland, taking our jobs away just to live off my taxes. Well he can take his blue ass and get on the next blue boat and go back to Blueland", then you wouldn't be having this rather gormless debate. Fact is that doesn't appear to have been what happened, rather it was an off the cuff comment which as inappropriate as it may seem to our chum superhero, probably wouldn't have raised an eyebrow to most of us. Which doesn't make it right, but if this is considered to be serious, how would you cope with sexual overtones, rude jokes or actual mobbing in the workplace?
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Old 08.04.2015, 18:07
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So you're condoning violent soccer hooligans?

This thread is running off the reality rails. It's not that superhero doesn't have a pleasant ethical streak, it's just the nature of the complaint is rather weak.

If the boss had said something like "That damn bluegger, comes over here from Blueland, taking our jobs away just to live off my taxes. Well he can take his blue ass and get on the next blue boat and go back to Blueland", then you wouldn't be having this rather gormless debate. Fact is that doesn't appear to have been what happened, rather it was an off the cuff comment which as inappropriate as it may seem to our chum superhero, probably wouldn't have raised an eyebrow to most of us. Which doesn't make it right, but if this is considered to be serious, how would you cope with sexual overtones, rude jokes or actual mobbing in the workplace?
We weren't there, so we can't really say how bad (or inocuous) the comments were.

And, to be fair, a racist, rude or sexist joke to some people can be hilarious to others, and it wouldn't necessarily mean those telling the joke are racist, rude or sexist. Maybe they just have a different sense of humour.

I was rather saying that I find it refreshing to see some young people with principles and ready to defend them. They don't have to be yours or my principles

Plus, let's face it, what's a superhero without a cause?
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

I'd like to emphasis that he was not even trying to be funny at all. I have heard his racial jokes before and that was not one of them.

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And, to be fair, a racist, rude or sexist joke to some people can be hilarious to others, and it wouldn't necessarily mean those telling the joke are racist, rude or sexist. Maybe they just have a different sense of humour.

I was rather saying that I find it refreshing to see some young people with principles and ready to defend them. They don't have to be yours or my principles

Plus, let's face it, what's a superhero without a cause?
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I was appalled when I head what my boss said in a meeting at work. Talking about performance of a coworker he said: That's all he can achieve. We cannot expect anything more from him. And then he said and I am quoting "Klammer auf, XXXisch, Klammer zu", referring to one of European nationalities. (not my nationality). For those who don't speak German it literally means: left parenthesis, That particular nationality, right parenthesis.
It's not the first time I am hearing such statements from him (even about my own nationality) but this time it was somehow different because I felt he was not kidding at all and he actually thinks so and the company is enabling him to making such remarks.
Could I do anything about it? Can he be sued? There were other people in that meeting but I doubt anybody would dare say anything.
Suing in CH is useless, unless you have a lot of money, and then again, the rewards won't be worth the trouble you go through... no idea if you work in a big company where such a behavior is for sure not tolerated...best course of action would be:

1. Find out if HR manager is friends with your boss
2a. If no: go together with some co-workers*** to your HR manager and tell him
2b. If yes: Ignore it or change job if it bothers you.

***Many Swiss people in general are not united in the work-place, so expect no support, worse even, people love to "petzen", which means, they will go to your boss and inform of your plans, and then you really might as well quit. That is how things often work around here, CH is not the dreamland people think it is, regarding work. By the way, I heard my bosses say much worse, but he had a stroke and half his face is now paralyzed.. the punishment comes sooner or later.
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Old 08.04.2015, 18:26
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Yes you are angry at the society and now trying to score by questioning my honesty.
Lol. Welcome back.
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

I have observed this behaviour in here. Bosses speaking in a secret language, feeling God wants them to be the boss...and nobody else dares question their insane decisions which cost the company a fortune.

Anyway obviously we have come a long way from resolving our differences with a piece of stone to having a black president and lifting the ban on interracial marriage (not everywhere) and you can be sure it will go on like that even if some of us don't agree.

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Suing in CH is useless, unless you have a lot of money, and then again, the rewards won't be worth the trouble you go through... no idea if you work in a big company where such a behavior is for sure not tolerated...best course of action would be:

1. Find out if HR manager is friends with your boss
2a. If no: go together with some co-workers*** to your HR manager and tell him
2b. If yes: Ignore it or change job if it bothers you.

***Many Swiss people in general are not united in the work-place, so expect no support, worse even, people love to "petzen", which means, they will go to your boss and inform of your plans, and then you really might as well quit. That is how things often work around here, CH is not the dreamland people think it is, regarding work. By the way, I heard my bosses say much worse, but he had a stroke and half his face is now paralyzed.. the punishment comes sooner or later.
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..., people love to "petzen"...
Sneak, inform, snitch, brown nose, arse lick, grass, squeal...
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Apart from the topic in hand, some comments here are far from good career advice! I have stood up to my principals many times in my life. Yes I am young and yes I do believe in making the effort if as a result our world will be a tiny little bit of a better place. And just for the record, it didn't mean a career suicide for me, far from it. I work in an industry full of grumpy old machos with huge egos (highly educated men with God complexes) and I am a young woman and I am the youngest executive in our big company (I have handed my notice for personal reasons it that's not relevant). I have applied my principals alongside to hardwork and went up the ladder rather to the disgust of the men who preferred me to let everything stay where they preferred to live it. You don't need to shut up to succeed in your career; for gods sake we live in the western world and in the year 2015 not 1960s!!

And superhero, we wouldn't call you a Canadian even if you beg for it. With that joke you are added even to my black list 😜

everybody secretly wants to be a Canadian, eh? 😜🍁

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to the disgust of the men who preferred me to let everything stay where they preferred to leave it.
Fixed that for you.
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Fixed that for you.
Thx result of multi tasking (trying to catch a taxi after a long day and typing).

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Re: Is my boss a racist?

I may be described as an equal opportunity racist, I will comment on all races, but I never infer that any one race/culture is superior. I also try to make sure that I never make comments where a listener may infer that I am suggesting superiority of any one race/culture. I am highly opinionated and critical; I live in San Francisco.

Superhero, how long have you lived in Switzerland?

In a perfect world ( like San Francisco) racist comments will get you fired, worse than that you would be committing a terrible social faux pas. Less than 20 years ago the Swiss could still reject housing applicants based on their nationality,they could advertise for 'Swiss only'. So racism is still a relative ( with the emphasis on relative) concept. The Swiss are racist against each other saying things like Thurgauers are long-fingered and of course the Bern jokes etc.

It may be that you boss is practicing reverse racism- he got it, so now he's the boss and he is returning the favour. Or he may think that being racist will help him climb the pecking ladder.

Me, personally, I would report racism, I always have in the past, but I am Swiss. If you are not Swiss expect to get fired. If you want to last in Switzerland then you have to pick your battles and give him enough rope. In the meantime do not react to any perceived racism in any way; both negative and positive reactions might exacerbate the situation. Don't provide an audience. In the meantime log everything in a diary- this is what I did in the past, so that if you are ever questioned, you have a detailed account. When you have enough evidence, not just heresay or your interpretation then do something, but remember whistleblowers still do not receive adequate protection.

When you are the boss, you can do it differently,
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It may be that you boss is practicing reverse racism- he got it, so now he's the boss and he is returning the favour. Or he may think that being racist will help him climb the pecking ladder.
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...or maybe he's not even a racist just a poor bugger suffering from S.P.C.
Heard the symptoms are very, very similar. If we think more of this case, OP shouldn't even report him; it could be an act of cruelty.
Superhero, take it like this. Live and let live..
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honestly, passive aggressiveness won't get you anywhere. If you think he did something wrong or what he said was inappropriate talk to him. If that is not viable, I am sure your company has ways of reporting such incidents.
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Do you people remember when we all were young and had principles?
Judging by the replies, most of you don't .

More power to the OP if s/he wants to stand by them.

Now, would I do it, when it would probably mean career suicide? To my shame, no, I wouldn't. 20 years ago, when I believed in such things like equality and fair play, possibly, but I didn't have so much to lose.

It's a good thing we have young and feisty people who are prepared to fight for what they believe. Otherwise we'd be a bunch of middle aged conformists....oh, wait....
This of course depends on what lofty principles and beliefs they subscribe to.
If their youthful exuberance motivates them to go on to behead 'non-believers', I would personally not go very far in defending their 'right' to do so. On the other hand, I would also be loath to see the power of youth so wastefully dissipated in fighting petty transgressions against codes of 'political correctness' or other such nonsense.
Only a personal view, of course.
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