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Re: Is my boss a racist?

Your boss here:

"Klammer auf, XXXisch, Klammer zu"!

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This of course depends on what lofty principles and beliefs they subscribe to.
If their youthful exuberance motivates them to go on to behead 'non-believers', I would personally not go very far in defending their 'right' to do so. On the other hand, I would also be loath to see the power of youth so wastefully dissipated in fighting petty transgressions against codes of 'political correctness' or other such nonsense.
Only a personal view, of course.
Jokes aside, if this thread is for real that is not a petty transgression against PC, it's pure racism. It's not a joke.. It's harassing someone because of his nationality. At work, with people around. Simples.
Too bad some people can't even recognise it. Only a personal view, of course.

Finally OP, if you're a decent person, do something. Like in "act". Coming here to "share" it is like making excuses not to act. Look, you started a thread on EF, you did something! ...c'mon.
Anyway, each to their own.

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Old 09.04.2015, 06:11
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Jokes aside, if this thread is for real that is not a petty transgression against PC, it's pure racism. It's not a joke.. It's harassing someone because of his nationality. At work, with people around. Simples.
I think that's an important point to clarify: They way I understood the OP did the boss talk ABOUT another person - not into his face. Major difference for me if you as a superior walk up to a guy and tell him "I guess that's all I can expect from a lazy immigrant like you" or if he in a team meeting without anyone from that country present voices his opinion that somebody else in the company is incompetent and pins it to the nationality (which is of course wrong, but very common in CH).
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Old 09.04.2015, 09:33
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...Major difference for me if you as a superior walk up to a guy and tell him "I guess that's all I can expect from a lazy immigrant like you" or if he in a team meeting without anyone from that country present voices his opinion that somebody else in the company is incompetent and pins it to the nationality (which is of course wrong, but very common in CH).
So it's ok for a boss in a meeting to start talk about wops, wogs, kikes, chinks, slitty-eyes, darkies, spics, ragheads, towelheads, bobbly heads, nips, slopes etc., so long as there's none present? I really don't think so.

Racist/sexist language or expression in a business meeting is in my view not decent behaviour regardless. Even if common in Switzerland.
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Old 09.04.2015, 09:46
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So it's ok for a boss in a meeting to start talk about wops, wogs, kikes, chinks, slitty-eyes, darkies, spics, ragheads, towelheads, bobbly heads, nips, slopes etc., so long as there's none present? I really don't think so.
I don't think that was the case here, so you can well tune it down a bit... all that happened is that a boss mentioned the nationality of a person and linking his poor performance to it. That's nowhere near your racial slurs. From the OP seems it out of the question that the performance was indeed poor... the only point here is the remark on the nationality. A typical case of stereotypes which are unfortunately completely normal in Switzerland. I do not think there is a case talking to HR as they won't take it serious and yes, that's wrong and backward, but simply the way Switzerland works today.

I really could not count how many times I got to hear those stereotypes from Swiss colleagues as well as superiors in regard of my nationality. Was it fun? No. Did I make formal complaints to HR for anyone saying something negative about Germans? Well, let's just say that if they had fired everyone who makes a remark like this I'd been the only one left in the office...
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Old 09.04.2015, 10:13
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So it's ok for a boss in a meeting to start talk about wops, wogs, kikes, chinks, slitty-eyes, darkies, spics, ragheads, towelheads, bobbly heads, nips, slopes etc., so long as there's none present? I really don't think so.

Racist/sexist language or expression in a business meeting is in my view not decent behaviour regardless. Even if common in Switzerland.
It happens in the positive sense too.

I've heard the following behind people's backs

"X always gets the cheapest deals. He has good money sense. Must be because he's Dutch."
"Y works very hard. Must be because he's German."
"We must ask Z to advise us on the curry. He sure knows best, seeing he's Indian"
"No wonder Messi is such a good footballer. He's from Argentina"

Is this also inacceptable?
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Old 09.04.2015, 10:31
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It happens in the positive sense too.

I've heard the following behind people's backs

"X always gets the cheapest deals. He has good money sense. Must be because he's Dutch."
"Y works very hard. Must be because he's German."
"We must ask Z to advise us on the curry. He sure knows best, seeing he's Indian"
"No wonder Messi is such a good footballer. He's from Argentina"

Is this also inacceptable?
Why would positive racial profiling be unacceptable? It would just be like saying "I bet he's a great long-distance runner, being Kenyan". It's largely harmless with no ill-intent.

The fact is any racial comparisons used in a negative or discriminatory sense count as racism.
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Why would positive racial profiling be unacceptable? It would just be like saying "I bet he's a great long-distance runner, being Kenyan". It's largely harmless with no ill-intent.

The fact is any racial comparisons used in a negative or discriminatory sense count as racism.
positive or negative: both are equally racist as both are generalizations.
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positive or negative: both are equally racist as both are generalizations.
The clear difference being that one does not have negative connotations. I get the occasional joke about being British and so liking tea and being used to bad food... if you think this is as unacceptable in a workplace as making a racial connotation about not working hard or something that could be similarly and truly offensive to someone then you lack good grasp of context.
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It happens in the positive sense too.

I've heard the following behind people's backs

"X always gets the cheapest deals. He has good money sense. Must be because he's Dutch."
"Y works very hard. Must be because he's German."
"We must ask Z to advise us on the curry. He sure knows best, seeing he's Indian"
"No wonder Messi is such a good footballer. He's from Argentina"

Is this also inacceptable?
True, but someone with a convoluted mind will immediately find the negative from the positive statement you make. So if you say "Y works very hard. Must be because he's German." to a non-German, (s)he can immediately complain (or at least think) that you are suggesting that (s)he isn't hard-working enough :-). Really depends on how you say, in which context, as well as on how fertile mind the listener has.

By the way, I don't think it is racist unless the purpose is to discriminate (or incriminate). Content without intent is merely a lack of education and/or awareness.

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Please stop importing self-righteous, judgemental, denunciating People. You can't tell me you don't find enough Swiss with those traits.
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Why would positive racial profiling be unacceptable? It would just be like saying "I bet he's a great long-distance runner, being Kenyan". It's largely harmless with no ill-intent.
He's not Kenyan. He was born in Hawaii and has a birth certificate to prove it.
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The clear difference being that one does not have negative connotations. I get the occasional joke about being British and so liking tea and being used to bad food... if you think this is as unacceptable in a workplace as making a racial connotation about not working hard or something that could be similarly and truly offensive to someone then you lack good grasp of context.
sure, but there's a difference to a crap joke (which I often get at work) "english food is rubbish" to your face and a manager making a snidey racial sneery comment behind one's back e.g. "typical XXXXs, lazy buggers"
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It happens in the positive sense too.

I've heard the following behind people's backs

"X always gets the cheapest deals. He has good money sense. Must be because he's Dutch."
"Y works very hard. Must be because he's German."
"We must ask Z to advise us on the curry. He sure knows best, seeing he's Indian"
"No wonder Messi is such a good footballer. He's from Argentina"

Is this also inacceptable?
I personally dislike all stereotypes but you're a clever well informed poster and surely you do see the difference between positive stereotypes and negative sneery stereotypes?
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Even if common in Switzerland.
I don't know why people find it typical only of Switzerland. Either they are less travelled (I mean those who specifically complain about Switzerland) or is it because in Switzerland close to 35% of the work-force are of foreign extract (which by implication means that possibly many of the mid-management people (who generally are the immediate bosses and therefore the ones about who 'we' have 'immediate' complains), especially in big 'faceless' corporations, are expats themself).

I haven't seen the whole world but in the few countries I have worked, I have found it is a general tendency for some of us to complain about how things are wrong/racist/inappropriate/<add a negative here> in that particular country, some of which might be genuine concerns, but some others not so. It is a disturbing realization that the problem lies more with me and you and not with 'them' (and in correlation, with 'them' when they arrive in our country).

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sure, but there's a difference to a crap joke (which I often get at work) "english food is rubbish" to your face and a manager making a snidey racial sneery comment behind one's back e.g. "typical XXXXs, lazy buggers"
That was the whole point of my post...
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sure, but there's a difference to a crap joke (which I often get at work) "english food is rubbish" to your face and a manager making a snidey racial sneery comment behind one's back e.g. "typical XXXXs, lazy buggers"
I get that too, and go along with it in a jovial way, telling my co-workers I can only eat crap food and how I hate it when my beer is too cold, and when it rains saying how it reminds me of home.

With the others recycling my jokes, it just shows they don't have any of their own.
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Hypothetical scenario -
Suppose an employee has a English father and a German mother. This employee goes to a client meeting and the client is a d**k. The client screams, bangs on the table, demands revisions in proposals worked out over weeks. The employee stays calm, rushes back, does an all nighter to redraft the proposal and keeps the client satisfied.

When reporting all this to the boss, they get a "Well done! Of course its because you have have a stiff upper lip from your British dad, and are a hard worker since you have a German mother"

How are those positive stereotypes making the employee feel now?

The client of course is an EF member.
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That was the whole point of my post...
fair enough
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