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Old 10.04.2015, 12:35
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Re: Is my boss a racist?

Fully with ya guys ... Its sad how some ppl behave, racism has no place anywhere if u ask me... - not sure what u could do in ur particular case of ur boss as this is tricky... Personally, if I feel offended or can not work there anymore, I would do a change....
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Old 10.04.2015, 12:42
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racism has no place anywhere if u ask me...
So does txtspeak if you ask me...
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Old 10.04.2015, 12:54
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Apart from the question of Ignorantia juris non excusat, this distinction may apply to lessening the culpability of the person, but does not modify the act committed.

The law differentiates, for example, between murder, manslaughter and unlawful killing. The differentiation lies in the intention. The result of all three is the same. The result is a dead person.

The definition I linked does not contain the word intention. So racism is more the umbrella term akin to killing that needs (if you feel the need to introduce culpability, which is in fact what I'm trying to separate out here) to be subdivided into intentional racism, unintentional racism etc.




The law is not really well set up to deal with or even unambiguously define irony or familiarity. This is why many countries distinguish between things said in public and things said in private and somehow even make some fuzzy allowance for context even when things are said in public (indeed rappers get away with saying things that politicians or managers would get fired for). But that doesn't mean that just because something is legal that it isn't racist, or that everything that is racist is said in bad faith..
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Old 10.04.2015, 13:03
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You have a lot of patience, MC.
Thanks. I blame my career.

"Miss, Miss, but I didn't mean those words! I was being sarcastic!"

Rrrrrrriiiight.

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You made me crack up.

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Old 10.04.2015, 13:10
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"Miss, Miss, but I didn't mean those words! I was being sarcastic!"

Rrrrrrriiiight.
My answer to those students:
"- I am not accusing you of being sarcastic but of being so in the wrong context. The accusation stands."
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Old 10.04.2015, 14:18
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My answer to those students:
"- I am not accusing you of being sarcastic but of being so in the wrong context. The accusation stands."
Yup.

Accountability, the word of today. One cannot really achieve much with excuses, no matter how crafty and theoreticaly logical they might be.
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Would some darling moderator kindly put this thread out of its misery?
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Old 10.04.2015, 15:06
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Would some darling moderator kindly put this thread out of its misery?
What have you got against this thread? Is it cos it's shit? Intellectualist.
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What have you got against this thread? Is it cos it's shit? Intellectualist.
Is it because it's brought up a subject that needs to be discussed and it's been also VERY popular?
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Old 10.04.2015, 15:55
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Yup.

Accountability, the word of today. One cannot really achieve much with excuses, no matter how crafty and theoreticaly logical they might be.
Depends what the teacher is trying to achieve.

Education is maybe one of the few places where you have the luxury of encouraging people to discuss the questions behind the questions and pursue logical discourse for its own sake without a guy with a stopwatch standing besides you saying, you can't talk about that because if you do you will fail to achieve today's goal and time is money.

Sometimes to understand and question what others consider obvious can be of greater value than to pursue purely achievement-oriented goals and seek to always be fully accountable to your lords and masters. A teacher who doesn't see that should stop teaching kids and get a job in accounting school instead.
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Old 10.04.2015, 16:49
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Sometimes to understand and question what others consider obvious can be of greater value than to pursue purely achievement-oriented goals and seek to always be fully accountable to your lords and masters. A teacher who doesn't see that should stop teaching kids and get a job in accounting school instead.
How about being accountable to oneself before being accountable to others? I think that's the sort of accountability MC was talking about. A teacher should aim to model individuals with conscience.
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Old 10.04.2015, 17:02
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How about being accountable to oneself before being accountable to others? I think that's the sort of accountability MC was talking about.
Which is more accountable to him or herself? A teacher who welcomes discussion for its own sake and thus seeks to teach pupils how to think and apply logic, or a teacher who avoids uncomfortable confrontation, pushing children to seek answers outside of the classroom and maybe from people who will use their doubt as a tool to manipulate them?

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A teacher should aim to model individuals with conscience
A teacher should not aim to model pupils but should aim to equip them with the mental are ethical ability to make the most out of who they are.
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Old 10.04.2015, 17:17
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Which is more accountable to him or herself? A teacher who welcomes discussion for its own sake and thus seeks to teach pupils how to think and apply logic, or a teacher who avoids uncomfortable confrontation, pushing children to seek answers outside of the classroom and maybe from people who will use their doubt as a tool to manipulate them?
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I'm trying to figure out whether you question MC's abilities to welcome open discussions or you just describe a hypothetical situation of a teacher who's not very good at what he/she is doing.


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I think we mean the same thing.
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I'm trying to figure out whether you question MC's abilities to welcome open discussions or you just describe a hypothetical situation of a teacher who's not very good at what he/she is doing.
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One cannot really achieve much with excuses, no matter how crafty and theoreticaly logical they might be.

So just making sure that isn't a call for rejecting logic on the altar of expedience, relegating logical criticism by labeling it an excuse. This happens enough in the business world (which maybe is understandable as money rules), but it would be sad if it happened in education too (because as I said, that is one of the few areas that can still afford to take time and think about things for their own sake). I cringe to see logic called an excuse and to see the word accountability used to prevent teachers going off syllabus.

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I think we mean the same thing.
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guy with charlie hebdo support logo gives advice on how to pursue a politically incorrect expression. funny one.
OP asked for the legal situation, and that's what I posted. Do you usually exclude people from your help if they disagree with you?

Obviously you equate racism to political incorrectness. That's OK, everybody's entitled to an opinion, just don't expect me to agree.

I "wear" the Charlie logo as I find it inacceptable that some people feel entitled, and actually do, kill simply because they disagree with somebody else. In this context it doesn't matter at all what I think about Charlie themselves, nor does my opinion on what they try to convey.

To me the logo is a statement for freedom of speech and against violent radicalsim in all forms, obviously you don't get that (or perhaps disagree), but again that's OK. Thankfully it didn't, but had the call come I probably would have (hopefully would have had the guts to) defended your right to your opinion and to disagree with me with my very life. Perhaps you get at least that last bit.

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Re: Is my boss a racist?

I pretty sure that if instead of referring to a particular nationality the conversation would have been about women not being capable of doing their job the reactions on this thread would have been completely different.
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I pretty sure that if instead of referring to a particular nationality the conversation would have been about women not being capable of doing their job the reactions on this thread would have been completely different.
Only if she had 'huuuuuuge tracts of land'.... *


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