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Cost of paving?

I need to get some block paving done - a simple oblong area about 10m2, and adjusting about 8m of path either side of it.

Has anyone had anything similar done (e.g. probably equivalent to a small drive) and can give a rough idea of cost?

Not sure whether to do it myself or not, but am also finding cost of delivery for sand and pavers is double the cost of the materials! It's a lot of trips in a car, or I don't fancy the alternative unloading two tonnes of stuff in a two hour van rental
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Re: Cost of paving?

It will be bloody expensive!!

Even materials here are scarily priced - and in labour and things go loopy. We got fence quotes that made my eyeballs bleed.
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Old 16.04.2015, 17:59
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Re: Cost of paving?

yep that's what I expect - I can get the materials I need in Hornbach for 300 CHF which actually isn't too bad.

Delivery - 400 CHF

It also seems to be just plain stupidly organised. E.g. big bag of sand - in the UK they have a load of bags on a crane truck and they do one big circle of the area dumping them on the relevant drives, delivery costs next to nothing. Here, they're delivered to the store so you can pick them up - yeah, I really fancy shovelling a tonne of sand out of a rental truck with the clock ticking.

Obviously I realise if I had a trailer or my own truck this wouldn't be a problem, but we're talking about a retail store not a commercial merchant.
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Re: Cost of paving?

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Obviously I realise if I had a trailer or my own truck this wouldn't be a problem, but we're talking about a retail store not a commercial merchant.
I am mulling over a decent trailer - although that would require another rejig of the garage in order to store it - and keeping the highly capable Disco.
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Re: Cost of paving?

Check Bauhaus' web site - they used to rent out trailers on goods purchased from their store .... but I think only a basic, unbraked 750kg one.
.... and Bauhaus will be as cheap as anywhere else - with a good choice of stock.

For paving, don't do it the English way with sand and/or cement, and gaps.

Here it is done with a min. 4cm bed of smoothed, levelled gravel (kies/splitt in DE) and tiles placed touching.
The paving stones are not permanently fixed but are placed floating on the gravel.

This may be because of the extreme cold temperatures that can occur in winter, and therefore the ground expands and causes them to rise - but they return to normal when the ground thaws. The thicker the layer of gravel, the less they move.

You may be able to locate a bulk kies depot and source directly from there - otherwise the nearest DIY type shop or Landi in 25kg sacks.

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Re: Cost of paving?

Thanks - same applies at Hornbach, and at 19.50 per hour for a transporter van it's pretty reasonable.

Problem is the quantity - I can just about imagine unloading a tonne of pavers myself, but not that and a tonne of sand.
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Thanks - same applies at Hornbach, and at 19.50 per hour for a transporter van it's pretty reasonable.

Problem is the quantity - I can just about imagine unloading a tonne of pavers myself, but not that and a tonne of sand.
Please see above post - I've edited and added some more details.
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Re: Cost of paving?

Many thanks - I've been mulling that over for a while and was worried about expansion (not just the cold, also heat in the summer) and drainage.

What size gravel - I'm assuming fairly fine so they can be levelled, something like 5-8mm splitt? Can't imagine 8-16mm kies tamping down too well.
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Re: Cost of paving?

Fortunately, I have an unopened Landi sack, weighting down the base of a basketball net ..... 3 - 6mm is written on that, but 5 - 8 will also work.
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Re: Cost of paving?

Double thanks - hadn't thought of going to Landi!

(edit: or read your previous post properly either )
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Re: Cost of paving?

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yep that's what I expect - I can get the materials I need in Hornbach for 300 CHF which actually isn't too bad.

Delivery - 400 CHF
I had to pay three lots of that:

400 CHF for delivery of some stone slabs from Hornbach.
300 CHF from another place for delivering rocks.
400 CHF from a place collecting three tonnes of waste.

And all for a bit of minor landscaping which I did myself.

I did crazy paving for a garden set in mortar with mortar in the gaps.

It's been fine for three winters.

I always thought that the reason that slabs were not set in mortar was because they are quite often over underground garages where access may be required if the waterproof membrane is comprised with tree roots or over-zealous garden tool work.

I reckon the best site on the web for slabs, flags laying information etc etc, albeit with a U.K. slant is Paving Expert.com
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Re: Cost of paving?

Obi in Waldshut-Tiengen, Germany. They'll rent you a trailer for very little cost, if you have a trailer ball on your car. You'll need to dig out about 25cm of dirt and fill it with about 20cm of compacted kies, and about 4-5 cm of pebbles. I did something like this with a space about 10m2, and spent about CHF350-400. A good physical workout as well. Same job probably would have cost about CHF1,000 in Switzerland, I assume.
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Re: Cost of paving?

You could always try Coop; they also do home delivery for 'big bags' of building materials, think a big bag of kies is around 190 CHF..

Wherever you go, the delivery will be expensive. And quite often, they may only deliver to the kerbside. The wooden decking we had delivered was a case in had - 30m2 plus wood for the supporting framework and four large fence panels left at the side of the road - about 50 m away from the house.

But, the beer belly was gone the day after shifting that lot to the house!
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Wherever you go, the delivery will be expensive. And quite often, they may only deliver to the kerbside. The wooden decking we had delivered was a case in had - 30m2 plus wood for the supporting framework and four large fence panels left at the side of the road - about 50 m away from the house.
Depends on how you organise it and with whom. The people I hired all had 12 tonners with hydraulic cranes on on the back.

One chap was happy to place some rocks exactly where I wanted them - one at a time -up to about 8m from the road depending on the weight of the load.

In other deliveries, pallets were placed exactly where I wanted them.
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Re: Cost of paving?

I would recommend Goetz & Moriz for your pavers. They are inexpensive and deliver into Switzerland.

For Kies, Pebbles and Sand; if you navigate your way around the local Swiss communities, especially amongst the moonlighting farmers with heavy equipment at their disposal, you can find your earth supplies literally for dirt cheap. You can rent vibration plates for about 50 bucks a day. At about 10m2, I would recommend getting a mini-back ho, unless you want to use the project as a fitness exercise over a number of days.
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Re: Cost of paving?

For 400 CHF I'd want the individual pavers laid where I ask on my prepared base, in which case I'd pay

Nothing much short of that would justify the cost.
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