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Re: Swiss are the happiest people in the world

The Swiss have an efficient system and plan for harnessing unhappiness and misery, especially from foreigners. They recycle it all into joy. Its called Schadenfreude.

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Old 28.04.2015, 00:45
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Yet Switzerland has a high suicide rate...
Must be the reason for the high average among the survivors
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The Swiss have an erficient system and plan for harnessing unhappiness and misery, especially from foreigners. They turn it all into joy. Its called Schadenfreude.

The foreigners are happier than the locals because for them its easier to leave Switzerland
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Re: Swiss are the happiest people in the world

I think the Swiss actually do feel happy. It is just us foreigners who need other things to feel happy than the kind of things that make the Swiss tick.
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Old 28.04.2015, 13:42
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Re: Swiss are the happiest people in the world

How do you know when you are happy?

It's when your apartment is spotless, all your bills are paid, your neighbours are quiet and nothing unexpected has happened to you today.

Swiss bliss.
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Old 28.04.2015, 14:22
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I think the Swiss actually do feel happy. It is just us foreigners who need other things to feel happy than the kind of things that make the Swiss tick.
I disagree. I think Switzerland are the happiest nation for the same reason Denmark used to be the happiest nation:


When you ask a Briton how he is, the usual reply is ‘not bad’, by which he really means ‘fine’, but he somehow feels that it is rude to brag. But apparently in Denmark it is shameful to be unhappy, so the Danes insist that they have never been happier.
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Old 28.04.2015, 14:43
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Re: Swiss are the happiest people in the world

I struggle to understand why people have a hard time believing that the Swiss are the happiest in the world.

Switzerland as a country fulfills every single aspect of food security, housing, no violence etc. It offers all its inhabitants reasonable access to education and health care and even a mediocre salary will pay for a roof and bread on the table - could you, statistically, say the same about any of your typical EF country of origin? UK? USA? SA?

I have lived in South Korea, Spain, Finland and Sweden - all rather civilized countries with "western standards" - and I have never been happier than I have been in Switzerland. I have no intention at all to leave, I consider myself lucky to be here and grateful for the life and lifestyle that I am living.

Happiness is what you make out of your own life - and judging by a few posts here I guess some people made some bad decisions in life...
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Old 28.04.2015, 14:55
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Happiness is what you make out of your own life...
Only to a certain extent…crabby neighbors and rules about everything certainly don't help to keep a smile on one's face

Every Swiss person I know who has done a bit of traveling laughs at the idea that the Swiss are the happiest in the world...
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Old 28.04.2015, 15:00
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I struggle to understand why people have a hard time believing that the Swiss are the happiest in the world.

Switzerland as a country fulfills every single aspect of food security, housing, no violence etc. It offers all its inhabitants reasonable access to education and health care and even a mediocre salary will pay for a roof and bread on the table - could you, statistically, say the same about any of your typical EF country of origin? UK? USA? SA?

I have lived in South Korea, Spain, Finland and Sweden - all rather civilized countries with "western standards" - and I have never been happier than I have been in Switzerland. I have no intention at all to leave, I consider myself lucky to be here and grateful for the life and lifestyle that I am living.

Happiness is what you make out of your own life - and judging by a few posts here I guess some people made some bad decisions in life...
Are you saying that people who live in Switzerland are happier because their basic needs are satisfied? Or are you saying that they are happier because they have greater opportunities for making what they want out of their lives? Or are you saying that they are happier because they really do make more out of their lives than people in other countries? Or are you just taking a swipe at people who suggest that this survey might be a load of b****cks?
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I struggle to understand why people have a hard time believing that the Swiss are the happiest in the world.

Switzerland as a country fulfills every single aspect of food security, housing, no violence etc. It offers all its inhabitants reasonable access to education and health care and even a mediocre salary will pay for a roof and bread on the table - could you, statistically, say the same about any of your typical EF country of origin? UK? USA? SA?

I have lived in South Korea, Spain, Finland and Sweden - all rather civilized countries with "western standards" - and I have never been happier than I have been in Switzerland. I have no intention at all to leave, I consider myself lucky to be here and grateful for the life and lifestyle that I am living.

Happiness is what you make out of your own life - and judging by a few posts here I guess some people made some bad decisions in life...
I don`t have longterm plans for switzerland so I don`t invest much in furniture. From time to time I pick up stuff from EF users who are leaving switzerland. I usually ask where they are from and why they are leaving.

The answer is never: "We have been happily living in Switzerland for 15 years and now we are getting kicked out of paradise, sniff sniff..."

Its usually something like this: "we have been living here for 2 years, have no social life and seen everything there is to see. We could stay, but we decided to leave. All our expat friends are leaving as well and we don`t want to be the last ones to leave. Ohh yeah, and the food sucks as well ;D"

Yes, there are people who settle, are in denial and convince themselves there are worse places on earth. The same people stay in unhappy marriages...
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Yes, there are people who settle, are in denial and convince themselves there are worse places on earth. The same people stay in unhappy marriages...
And there are people that blame everybody else for their unhappiness...

I have to agree with xandeo, I find it quite amusing how many in this thread can't believe that Swiss people can be happy (or according to this survey are "the happiest", whatever that means).
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Old 28.04.2015, 15:49
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Re: Swiss are the happiest people in the world

I think the term "happiness" can be interpreted differently.

Some would define a happy individual as some who is smiling, and lives a jovial care-free live which includes sporadic breaking into dance and skipping as one walks with song--without a care in the world.
-If I saw someone like that, I would think: Wow, that's a happy individual!!

This is of course not common for many Swiss at all. Even smiling is rare, as many of these traits are believed to show immaturity, inability to be serious, focused, precise and hardworking.

Now if you are to ask if as Swiss person is content with their life, I'm sure many would answer "extremely content" (which could be interpreted as extremely happy).

It is part of the upbringing as many feel the "Swiss Way" is the best way, and are commonly unable to think outside of the box of their tunnel vision. As long as they are following this lifestyle, of course they will be happy, because they're living their life how they've been brought up to be the right way, and naturally the best way.

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I think the term "happiness" can be interpreted differently.

Some would define a happy individual as some who is smiling, and lives a jovial care-free live which includes sporadic breaking into dance and skipping as one walks with song--without a care in the world.
-If I saw someone like that, I would think: Wow, that's a happy individual!!

This is of course not common for many Swiss at all. Even smiling is rare, as many of these traits are believed to show immaturity, inability to be serious, focused, precise and hardworking.

Now if you are to ask if as Swiss person is content with their life, I'm sure many would answer "extremely content" (which could be interpreted as extremely happy).
You just don't understand Swiss pragmatism. Pragmatically, you see all the things you have and you realize: "I have all these things. I must be happy if I have all these things" and so you mark 10/10 on a survey. I think maybe we just need to rephrase the question to "Do you feel happy?" instead of "Are you happy?". I think you'd see a big difference in responses.
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Re: Swiss are the happiest people in the world

And from the psychology perspective:

"The researchers found that people who want more of what they have tend to be happier than those who want less of what they have. However, people who have more of what they want tend to be happier than those who have less of what they want."


http://www.psychologicalscience.org/...e-or-both.html

So if your balance of what you have and what you want is fulfilled here, you have a good chance for happiness. If you don't want what you have, then you may not be happy.
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I don`t have longterm plans for switzerland so I don`t invest much in furniture. From time to time I pick up stuff from EF users who are leaving switzerland. I usually ask where they are from and why they are leaving.

The answer is never: "We have been happily living in Switzerland for 15 years and now we are getting kicked out of paradise, sniff sniff..."

Its usually something like this: "we have been living here for 2 years, have no social life and seen everything there is to see. We could stay, but we decided to leave. All our expat friends are leaving as well and we don`t want to be the last ones to leave. Ohh yeah, and the food sucks as well ;D"

Yes, there are people who settle, are in denial and convince themselves there are worse places on earth. The same people stay in unhappy marriages...

Obviously anyone who right from the very beginning has decided that there is to be no long term relationship is not ready for change nor objective in outlook.
One often hears 'no social life' - I'm not sure what this means - I always imagine it has something to do with not being able to get pissed as often as one would like. All I know is that in my town there exist a total of 48 groups of interest for both genders from football to chess. All addresses can be had at the town hall. There is no better way of making friends.
As for having seen everything after two years with nothing more in the wings, well, I'm surprised. After 50 years I haven't seen everything yet - and I've seen a lot.
As for the food that's a difficult one not knowing why it 'sucks', maybe there is too little gravy?
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Old 28.04.2015, 16:17
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I don`t have longterm plans for switzerland so I don`t invest much in furniture. From time to time I pick up stuff from EF users who are leaving switzerland. I usually ask where they are from and why they are leaving.

The answer is never: "We have been happily living in Switzerland for 15 years and now we are getting kicked out of paradise, sniff sniff..."

Its usually something like this: "we have been living here for 2 years, have no social life and seen everything there is to see. We could stay, but we decided to leave. All our expat friends are leaving as well and we don`t want to be the last ones to leave. Ohh yeah, and the food sucks as well ;D"

Yes, there are people who settle, are in denial and convince themselves there are worse places on earth. The same people stay in unhappy marriages...
Perhaps also that those of us that like it here don't leave and in consequence don't need to sell our furniture after 2 years. After 15 years the furniture ain't worth selling.

Those that are happy here (and if you bother to check out how long many forum regulars have been around you'll realise it's actually quite a lot) are much less likely to fine their way into your statistically meaningless sample.
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Perhaps also that those of us that like it here don't leave and in consequence don't need to sell our furniture after 2 years. After 15 years the furniture ain't worth selling.

Those that are happy here (and if you bother to check out how long many forum regulars have been around you'll realise it's actually quite a lot) are much less likely to fine their way into your statistically meaningless sample.
Im sure there are people who like it here and want to stay forever.

But as I said: the biggest smiles I have seen in Switzerland are on the faces of expats who are about to leave the happiest country in the world. Not a single one was forced to leave. They all left because they wanted to.
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Im sure there are people who like it here and want to stay forever.

But as I said: the biggest smiles I have seen in Switzerland are on the faces of expats who are about to leave the happiest country in the world. Not a single one was forced to leave. They all left because they wanted to.
Funnily enough, the only time I was literally crying of happiness was the day I received the B-permit in the mail (from a previous L). I had finally found a good place to live, a place that made me happy and I didn't want anything else than stay.

Surely, no one forced any of those expats to come to Switzerland either?
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Surely, no one forced any of those expats to come to Switzerland either?
of course not.

Did you ever watch a movie because of media hype or good reviews and then asked yourself: "did we watch the same movie?"

People are lured to Switzerland by "happy country statistics" and after a couple of rainy months think to themselves: I can`t believe I fell for it...
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