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of course not.

Did you ever watch a movie because of media hype or good reviews and then asked yourself: "did we watch the same movie?"

People are lured to Switzerland by "happy country statistics" and after a couple of rainy months think to themselves: I can`t believe I fell for it...
Your opinion sounds based on a very personal experience - In that case, I'm sorry that you feel "lured". But you can't assume that everyone agrees with you.

In my case, it's the other way around. My dad lived here in 1972 and 1973 and he then left to go back home. Upon my arrival here, I couldn't help wondering why he would ever leave. I have of course asked him a few times about it, and he apparently had very personal family reasons to leave Switzerland (mother at bad health and no other family), but one thing he has always pointed out: "I truly learned to appreciate Switzerland after I left" - something that I have also heard from my ophthalmologist, who came here in the mid-90's, stayed a few years and didn't like it too much so left back home - only to notice that the view of "home" was highly romanticized so she came back to Switzerland after only being home for a year. She had learned to appreciate Switzerland, she learned to "be happy" and never looked back again.

I guess it really is up to each own to make his/her own happiness. No survey is to be taken seriously, but there is no real reason to doubt why Switzerland wouldn't be the or one of the happiest places in the world.
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Re: Swiss are the happiest people in the world

Having to move is the most stressful, irritating, and annoying undertaking I have ever done. Since these attributes are on the opposite spectrum from Happiness, I guess I've very happy (as long as I don't have to move :P)

I do get very emotionally happy when I arrive in Toronto for a trip. Hearing English always does that though, but seeing smiling faces is great, and accidentally catching the eye of someone else always ends up in a conversation and a coffee together. So I've always felt a lot of happiness in Canada.

However, as mentioned about, depending how the study is done, I could see Canada scoring very low. Commonly when the comforts of good living are fulfilled, people resort to becoming activists on whatever issue dejour, with all their free time. You will hear many of such people unhappy about the Government, healthcare, environment, housing prices, big corporations, etc. The media-styled over-sensationalism of North America will have many yuppies tweeting that they are severely unhappy because we are destroying the world for our grand-children's grandchildren.
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Thanks for the welcome, did not take much coaxing ;-) smile...checking it all out and trying to figure how it all works. Have a good rest of week ! Cheers
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of course not.

Did you ever watch a movie because of media hype or good reviews and then asked yourself: "did we watch the same movie?"

People are lured to Switzerland by "happy country statistics" and after a couple of rainy months think to themselves: I can`t believe I fell for it...
The survey is about the swiss and not about the expats.
If you ask: "Are expats in Switzerland the happiest people in the world?", then the answer is: "Sure not. Just have a look at the miserable gits on englishforum.ch."
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Old 28.04.2015, 20:17
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The survey is about the swiss and not about the expats.
I think the OECD survey was by country, not by nationality. So that would include foreign expats living here, but not Swiss expats living abroad.
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The survey is about the swiss and not about the expats.
If you ask: "Are expats in Switzerland the happiest people in the world?", then the answer is: "Sure not. Just have a look at the miserable gits on englishforum.ch."
Just returning from many trips to Munich and London, I do miss people smiling here in Zuriland. I do give it a go to be cheerful, but all the sincere Swiss grumpiness does get to me and many fellow expats. I don't want to be miserable here, but if I could pay to get a smile off of some of my local Ch-peeps I would !
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How do you know when you are happy?

It's when your apartment is spotless, all your bills are paid, your neighbours are quiet and nothing unexpected has happened to you today.

Swiss bliss.
Time to get my outdoor music speakers out and get the party on !! We are respectful : never after 10pm
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J if I could pay to get a smile off of some of my local Ch-peeps I would !
This could probably work.... Try it. It's the swiss after all, you can't go wrong by giving them money.
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Just returning from many trips to Munich and London, I do miss people smiling here in Zuriland. I do give it a go to be cheerful, but all the sincere Swiss grumpiness does get to me and many fellow expats. I don't want to be miserable here, but if I could pay to get a smile off of some of my local Ch-peeps I would !
Or you could just visit Basel. I reckon the survey was done here.
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Re: Swiss are the happiest people in the world

On Swiss and smiling, perhaps they find nothing to smile about when you catch each other's glances?

As I recall at a Zuerich Street Parade, EVERYBODY was smiling. So I've come to the conclusion that empathy is bi-directional and just needs to be acquired.

I do know what you are talking about, and I assure you that the Swiss smile indeed. But see if you can muster up the the confidence to smile first, I think you'll find it has more to do with your own state of mind than the Swiss.
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As I recall at a Zuerich Street Parade, EVERYBODY was smiling.
What are you saying; we need more drugs?
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On Swiss and smiling, perhaps they find nothing to smile about when you catch each other's glances?

As I recall at a Zuerich Street Parade, EVERYBODY was smiling. So I've come to the conclusion that empathy is bi-directional and just needs to be acquired.

I do know what you are talking about, and I assure you that the Swiss smile indeed. But see if you can muster up the the confidence to smile first, I think you'll find it has more to do with your own state of mind than the Swiss.
Zuerich street parade : Hmmmm : Alcohol < Drugs< Smile .....that could work !
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I don`t have longterm plans for switzerland so I don`t invest much in furniture. From time to time I pick up stuff from EF users who are leaving switzerland. I usually ask where they are from and why they are leaving.

The answer is never: "We have been happily living in Switzerland for 15 years and now we are getting kicked out of paradise, sniff sniff..."

Its usually something like this: "we have been living here for 2 years, have no social life and seen everything there is to see. We could stay, but we decided to leave. All our expat friends are leaving as well and we don`t want to be the last ones to leave. Ohh yeah, and the food sucks as well ;D"

Yes, there are people who settle, are in denial and convince themselves there are worse places on earth. The same people stay in unhappy marriages...

Sure the last one leaving has to shut down the lights


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of course not.

Did you ever watch a movie because of media hype or good reviews and then asked yourself: "did we watch the same movie?"

People are lured to Switzerland by "happy country statistics" and after a couple of rainy months think to themselves: I can`t believe I fell for it...



I hope that People who come to Switzerland are NOT lured by some statistics. Exactly this one here is based on factors which are irrelevant for happiness. Millionaires in good weather tend to sit in the Kronenhalle, drinking some CHF 90.-- wine, while lesser People had some CHF 4 per bottle with them, sit along the lake, read something and are happy. It is NOT the income but to know how to enjoy life which makes happiness


I regard the immigrants intelligent enough to realize this. And there are enough weather statistics around to show how weather here really is.




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How do you know when you are happy?

It's when your apartment is spotless, all your bills are paid, your neighbours are quiet and nothing unexpected has happened to you today.

Swiss bliss.

My Apartment is NOT spotless, my bills are NOT paid, my neighbours are noisy and loud, and lot of unexpected things are likely to occur. All this is no hindrance for happiness
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Not that the Swiss are the happiest people in the world. They are not. But Switzerland provides the most conducive environment for happiness, if you know what happiness is. Only problem is that most people don't know what their happiness is, what is keeping them from it and how to attain it.

Here's one suggested roadmap, for those who don't know what their happiness is, from Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs:

1------Self-Actualisation (Happiness)
2-----Esteem (Self & Others)
3----Belonging (Social, Love, Affection)
4---Safety (Shelter, Clothing, away from danger)
5--Physiological (Health, Food & Sleep)

Switzerland covers #4 & #5 sufficiently well. In many or most parts of the world, it takes concerted effort just to maintain it. So time and energy is spent on most #4 & #5, hoping that #3, #2 and #1 would naturally fall into place without a lot of concerted effort.

Most foreigners in Switzerland get stuck at #3. Maybe they were conditioned to focus on $4 and #5. Poor idiots will blame the Swiss for their own attitudinal problems with this, not realizing that their own attitudes of victimization and blame is what is primarily keeping them from achieving it in the first place.

A lot of people get stuck at #2 out of arrogance and egotism. Because to address #2, you really need to stick your head out of your ass and start paying attention to other people as well.

#1 can simplistically be described as "being yourself". Foreigners in Switzerland have trouble with this because of #3 and #2. Some try to fake or force it, but it shows and they know it. But it certainly can be, and is achieved here in Switzerland, if you really want to. Just take an honest assessment of how you are doing with them, and what you need to change. Usually, it comes down to changes needed to your own attitudes and perceptions.

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I understand. So Switzerland is the happiest environment to live in, but it's not a guaranteed for happy mood of people.

I guess it's just they don't show their happiness to everyone, they only show it to the "necessary people".

I have been in Switzerland more than two years. I haven't seen any reserved or cold Swiss like the "travel guide" said. I think the Swiss are very warm, respectful and caring. They are just a bit quiet at first but I do feel the kindness from their heart. I have to admit that I have affections for most of the Swiss I have known A cozy feeling to be around them, they are not noisy people and try their best not to hurt you.

Bonus tip: I'm living in the French spoken area, I do like the way Swiss speak English with French accent. So soft and cute
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I understand. So Switzerland is the happiest environment to live in, but it's not a guaranteed for happy mood of people.

I guess it's just they don't show their happiness to everyone, they only show it to the "necessary people".

I have been in Switzerland more than two years. I haven't seen any reserved or cold Swiss like the "travel guide" said. I think the Swiss are very warm, respectful and caring. They are just a bit quiet at first but I do feel the kindness from their heart. I have to admit that I have affections for most of the Swiss I have known A cozy feeling to be around them, they are not noisy people and try their best not to hurt you.

Bonus tip: I'm living in the French spoken area, I do like the way Swiss speak English with French accent. So soft and cute

I well remember the times when People in the Romandie and in France spoke English and/or German either NOT at all or at best with a horrible Accent (almost as horrible as the French spoken by English People)
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I well remember the times when People in the Romandie and in France spoke English and/or German either NOT at all or at best with a horrible Accent (almost as horrible as the French spoken by English People)
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Mysterie solved.

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I guess it's just they don't show their happiness to everyone, they only show it to the "necessary people".
Exactly. They aren't very showy and don't feel they have much to prove. In personal relationships, once you get to know them and have an actual rapport, they are very warm people, and even get cute and cuddly. The women are Switzerland's greatest natural resources. But let's just keep that a secret.
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Just returning from many trips to Munich and London, I do miss people smiling here in Zuriland. I do give it a go to be cheerful, but all the sincere Swiss grumpiness does get to me and many fellow expats. I don't want to be miserable here, but if I could pay to get a smile off of some of my local Ch-peeps I would !
To be fair, its not because people are not happy, they just think that you might be nuts and hence dont want to attract the crazy by making eye contact...
And as for London, well its just one big happy party all the time on the Tube
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