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I do ask, I get it. Again, I'm just wondering why it's not standard. For example, I sat next to a very nice Swiss couple on my last flight to the states and they asked for no ice, while I was asking for a cup of only ice.

I asked they why they don't prefer ice...why drinking Sprite warm was their preference. They said it was that they don't trust the water in the ice...
I think you may be able to enlighten yourself slightly if you put the question the other way around - why do some places, notably the US, insist on putting so much ice in drinks? And why is a jug of iced water always placed on your table in a restaurant? To you these things are normal, but to many they're just as bizarre as you seem to find some of our perfectly normal cultural practices here.

Perhaps you need to open your mind to the idea that not everyone is the same, and that just 'cos it's the way you're used to in the US doesn't make it any better (or worse) per se.
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Re: Got Ice?

Not drinking ice cold drinks is another Swiss myth (like sitting in draughts).

They spend their lives not drinking anything cold and on the odd occasion they have no choice, they end up coughing because of their delicate throats and say "See, I told you so"
(a bit like a non-smoker taking a drag of a doobie and coughing their lungs up - regular officianados have no such problem)
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Re: Got Ice?

I have the opposite problem. As the odd American who doesn't prefer ice in drinks, I have to be careful to ask for "no ice". Many helpful waiters just assume all Americans love ice, even at places that don't normally offer it. My main issue is that I prefer the taste of beverages that aren't so cold they are numbing and have less taste. Cool is great, Freezing not so much.

I also travel enough that I don't really trust all local supplies. Airplanes are another watch out. I definitely don't want to drink anything that originally came from the plane's water tanks. Bottled water only!
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I think you may be able to enlighten yourself slightly if you put the question the other way around - why do some places, notably the US, insist on putting so much ice in drinks? And why is a jug of iced water always placed on your table in a restaurant?
Fountain drinks are mixed with tab water. Ice subdudes the chlorine smell of the tab water, which since 9/11 has even more cholrine in it then before.

Actually, I like the free jug of water on the table. But i heard it is not so free, you have to pay up to 15-20% of your bill for it.
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Perhaps you need to open your mind to the idea that not everyone is the same, and that just 'cos it's the way you're used to in the US doesn't make it any better (or worse) per se.
Simmer down please. I'm not assuming everyone is the same. In my OP, I said "We've wondered why no ice in drinks in Switzerland. We are honestly just really curious about this part of the culture. It's not a bad thing (we cope), it's just noticeably different."

I said it wasn't bad, I wasn't making a judgement call, saying it was stupid or weird or anything of the sort. Please don't assume that me asking a question is saying that I find my native culture superior.

If it makes you feel better, I think the public transportation is terrific and far superior to most places in the states. And don't get me started raving about how clean the street are! It's amazing!
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Old 24.04.2015, 10:38
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drink icy water and it makes you - eventually - feeling hotter. That's why they drink tea in hot countrys.
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Old 24.04.2015, 10:51
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In my OP, I said "We've wondered why no ice in drinks in Switzerland. We are honestly just really curious about this part of the culture. It's not a bad thing (we cope), it's just noticeably different."

good question. You have reminded me of my school friend, who was on students exchange (or something) in the USA, for about 2 months.


Her first impression, upon coming back, was something like: "I can not believe that they put massive loads of ice in every possible drink. I have no clue why. I could not drink water properly for days, until I got used to it. And they keep aircon on maximum all the time..."
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Re: Got Ice?

The main result of ice is in a drink is that you can't taste how bad it is. That's why the world's worst beers are sold ice cold.
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good question. You have reminded me of my school friend, who was on students exchange (or something) in the USA, for about 2 months.


Her first impression, upon coming back, was something like: "I can not believe that they put massive loads of ice in every possible drink. I have no clue why. I could not drink water properly for days, until I got used to it. And they keep aircon on maximum all the time..."
Exactly! It's strange right? Why do Americans (not all, but in general) load up on ice and others don't?

I find these differences really fascinating. For example, (in general only!) little kids in America, or possibly just the Midwest, are taught that three topics are rude and off limits: politics, religion and money.

We were at dinner at a home of some of our Swiss friends recently and when we started talking politics, I mentioned this rule to them. Their response? "What on earth do you talk about then?" According to them, and this was interesting, the Swiss taboo topics are: the Swiss military, Banking industry and the Swiss dialect of German. Thankfully, I hadn't stumbled into any of those but just give it time...

That's the real beauty in living in a new culture. We truly strive to understand these differences - how did it become this way.
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In my OP, I said "We've wondered why no ice in drinks in Switzerland. We are honestly just really curious about this part of the culture. It's not a bad thing (we cope), it's just noticeably different."
Sure, and I'm simply trying to help you think outside the box, as it were, by addressing the reasons that you think it's normal to do so. Your question is a little like a christian (for example) asking an atheist why he doesn't believe in god. In neither case is there an answer to explain the lack of something, except in the mind of someone to whom said something is taken as granted.
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Sure, and I'm simply trying to help you think outside the box, as it were, by addressing the reasons that you think it's normal to do so. Your question is a little like a christian (for example) asking an atheist why he doesn't believe in god. In neither case is there an answer to explain the lack of something, except in the mind of someone to whom said something is taken as granted.
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I always had a feeling you just got that much ice in your tap-water so you wouldn't taste the chlorine in it because of the cold temperature. And I always absolutely hated to taste the melting ice cubes chlorine taste seeping into my drink. Eeek....
... and as you probably know, most tap water in Switzerland does not have any chlorine (or fluoride, and that's not 'most', but 'all') added to it. Maybe that explains why ice isn't considered necessary here, although it doesn't explain why people in other European countries that do add chlorine to tap water also drink it at room temperature.
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Re: Got Ice?

Not. One. Drop. Of. Water. In. My. Single. Malt. Scotch. Period.
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Not. One. Drop. Of. Water. In. My. Single. Malt. Scotch. Period.
My single malt scotch period has lasted 25 years so far, and I'm sure yours is longer still -- how have you managed so long without water?
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Not. One. Drop. Of. Water. In. My. Single. Malt. Scotch. Period.
Oh really? So you'd drink a barrel strength one neat?

Ice I understand but for anything >40% a few drops of water really helps to open it up
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Not. One. Drop. Of. Water. In. My. Single. Malt. Scotch. Period.
Grasshopper, you have much to learn
(Water, a dash of fizzy spring, not tap, and no ice)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-f...to-whisky.html

http://www.whiskyforeveryone.com/whi...er_or_ice.html

Just two links, of many similar.

Try, by adding just a couple of drops, then look into the glass to see the flavour 'oils' start to dance.
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Not. One. Drop. Of. Water. In. My. Single. Malt. Scotch. Period.
I take the middle road.

It is very situational.

Some single malts improve with a tiny bit of good water (usually not tap, but Swiss tap is pretty good)

Some are best in their natural state

Cask strength I think needs a bit of dilution.

I have the "waterless" ice cubes if I want to chill it a bit, and some small ice cubes made with good water if I want to put a wee bit in that way.

So yes. I am absolutely picky and spoiled.
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Grasshopper, you have much to learn
(Water, a dash of fizzy spring, not tap, and no ice)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-f...to-whisky.html

http://www.whiskyforeveryone.com/whi...er_or_ice.html

Just two links, of many similar.

Try, by adding just a couple of drops, then look into the glass to see the flavour 'oils' start to dance.
Best article on the Telegraph - or "Guardian readers go f yourselves"!

I'd also champion the cause of any well made whiskey. Balcones #1 is worth a shot (and needs water to get the best from it), as are the Colonel EH Taylors (Rye and Bourbon). And the list of excellent Bourbons is getting longer longer and sit wonderfully between a good Rum and a good Whiskey - Basil Hayden, Black Maple Hill to name just 2.
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Re: Got Ice?

Is it really that US citizens like ice in their drinks, rather than indoctrinated into the habit?

I might be being presumptuous, but could it be more to do with profit margins on cold drinks and the proliferation of fast food joints and soft drinks manufacturers and other "institutions" selling beverages? Go to a bar/restaurant and ask for a soft drink and typically the first thing the bar man will do is shove the glass straight into the ice bunker and fill the glass with ice, then pour over the drink. If you pour the drink first, typically you'd fill nearly all the glass with drink and just a little ice, thereby eroding profits. After all a glass of ice/water will be a fraction of the price of a glass of Coke or Sprite etc (DISCLAIMER : Other beverages are available).

Fast food, burger joints and soft drinks advertising and selling just seem a whole lot less "in yer face" her in CH than in the US.
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Is it really that US citizens like ice in their drinks, rather than indoctrinated into the habit?

Fast food, burger joints and soft drinks advertising and selling just seem a whole lot less "in yer face" her in CH than in the US.

I'm certain of two things: I having been born and primarily raised in the US like ice, probably because everything comes with ice. When I don't have it, I miss it. I sometimes feel rude asking for ice, so I just don't. By extension, the Swiss (maybe? I don't know...still no answers) just grew up without ice and don't miss it.

I didn't grow up with Elephants, so I don't miss them in my day to day life. Your point is valid.

I haven't been to a fast food place in years, and never here in Switzerland, but the point is also good: more ice = less [whatever liquid] you ordered. I have no doubt there is an economic aspect.

I also think the ideas about chlorine are valid. I don't notice it most places, but in Vegas for example, it's very strong.

FYI, this is starting to remind me of my epic struggle to get an answer about why Mormons don't drink coffee. After years of living in Utah, I finally now think I understand.

And before someone goes off the rails, no, I'm not comparing the Swiss to the Mormons.
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