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She basically had a sex addiction in Switzerland.
It's not the worse place to have a sex addiction, actually.
Before you ask: yes, i compared.
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It's not the worse place to have a sex addiction, actually.
Before you ask: yes, i compared.
I know. Sex is conducted efficiently in Switzerland. Which made it more difficult to sympathize with Anna. I just liked the writing, the editing, and the references to Zuerich.
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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

No, "efficiently" is not the word, but I don't find Switzerland particularly conservative in action, they only are conservative when they talk. Quite a few clubs of different kinds all over the country, a bit like in Germany. Same kind of organisation, same sexual culture. Very different from Italy or France.
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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

I hesitate to read such books as those things are usually written by People who


> did not suffer through decades of what according to your teachers is the best of all exploits of global civilisation but in reality is rather a version of Tyannosaurus Rex in advanced Action
> did not live in London for more than a month, or even three , with only yourself and the dad-sponsored bank account to rely on
> did not live inside Texan households as part of Texan families for many weeks
> did not live up to being regarded as either an American or a Brit or a Brit//Egyptian when travelling
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No, "efficiently" is not the word, but I don't find Switzerland particularly conservative in action, they only are conservative when they talk. Quite a few clubs of different kinds all over the country, a bit like in Germany. Same kind of organisation, same sexual culture. Very different from Italy or France.
One can be very conservative and still practice polyamory. There is nothing mutual inclusive between the two. A lot of fetish people I've met have some very conservative streaks. The book has not been about polyamorous sub-cultures at all, up to the first 3/4 of it. I'll force myself to finish it. The book has been about one particular two-timing cheating wife trying to fill a void in her life.
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One can be very conservative and still practice polyamory. There is nothing mutual inclusive between the two.
Exactly, I wasn't as clear as you but indeed, the distinction is very easy to understand when one stay a bit around in Switzerland. I'm sure there are other places like that.
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I hesitate to read such books as those things are usually written by People who


> did not suffer through decades of what according to your teachers is the best of all exploits of global civilisation but in reality is rather a version of Tyannosaurus Rex in advanced Action
> did not live in London for more than a month, or even three , with only yourself and the dad-sponsored bank account to rely on
> did not live inside Texan households as part of Texan families for many weeks
> did not live up to being regarded as either an American or a Brit or a Brit//Egyptian when travelling
C'mon Wolli, you wouldn't read most of the books then.
But I also have to admit that I'm not attracted to this type of literature (the stuff that sells and it's written using a recipe/pattern/cliches), so probably won't even give it a go...I'm also one of those who won't read/see "Fifty shades of grey".
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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

Hmm, Hausfrau made me wonder if I'm missing on a huge opportunity to tap some lonely and um.."frustrated"...American Expat wives while their husbands are out working.

hmm..too bad I'm married

Joking aside, I lived in Dietlikon my first 2 years in CH, so it was funny I could relate to her environ (Live on Loorenstrasse with a view over the fields she talked about). As another poster noted, felt main character didn't reflect most expat behavior - yeah I was frustrated when I first moved here, but I was proactive and did find my way, in fact, I found her quite dumb. I was ok with her offing herself - I like on time trains.

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I was ok with her offing herself - I like on time trains.

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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

It was reviewed, not massively positively, in Private Eye.

"...the prose is so peculiarly phrased the reader keeps checking the title page to confirm that the text was originally written in English rather than, badly translated from Swiss German by someone in possession of a thesaurus rather than a dictionary".
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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

It is insulting that the "Fifty Shades" is thrown into the same sentence as the title of this book. The first is badly written soft porn, the second a deftly, poetically written book, at its core, about depression.

What is important in the book is not that Anna is an expat, nor a Hausfrau, nor a sex addict, but that she is caught in a death spiral of mental illness. She is not depressed because of her circumstances - rather her circumstances (failure at integration, affairs, etc.) are a symptom of her desperate mental state. In fact, improving her integration (through the language course and making a few good friends) only helped make her situation more desperate.

I personally love the portrayal of Anna's switzerland - a beautiful but cold place; Impenetrable and indecipherable. While aspects of its orderliness comfort her, it is always at arms length, along with the "home" and "happyness" that belonging to it could provide. When things that tethered her to her life were taken away,"Switzerland" provided the ultimate solution.

Needless to say, it is not a happy book, but the superb use of language and the strange, disjointed or "floating above one's own life" narrative give it a bit of levity and keep it entertaining (in an impending train wreck sort of way) rather than simply bleak. I liked it very much. It is not, however, any sort of statement on "those damn expats". Those who think it is have clearly not read the book.
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I found this book so sad and depressing, I am still recovering from feeling sorry for Anna's lot. I don't know of a society that takes kindly to mental illness.
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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

I might be the only one who didn't think the writing was beautiful. I found it mediocre.
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I might be the only one who didn't think the writing was beautiful. I found it mediocre.
I didn't think it was beautiful. I thought it was dark. Maybe call it Romance Noir, post-Romance, or even anti-Romance. That kind of nihilism has its audience.

I thought the rhythm with the scene cuts made it interesting. Parts of it were entertaining. The Jungian parts added some depth. The brutalisation of German were often silly and implied some disdain for the language. She seems to have used every Zuerich cliche under the sun. I imagine author has an EF profile. Probably even perused or posted in Complaints Corner. Anyway, nice work Jill! Congrats on the getting published!
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I didn't think it was beautiful. I thought it was dark. Maybe call it Romance Noir, post-Romance, or even anti-Romance. That kind of nihilism has its audience.

I thought the rhythm with the scene cuts made it interesting. Parts of it were entertaining. The Jungian parts added some depth. The brutalisation of German were often silly and implied some disdain for the language. She seems to have used every Zuerich cliche under the sun. I imagine author has an EF profile. Probably even perused or posted in Complaints Corner. Anyway, nice work Jill! Congrats on the getting published!
That part made me chuckle.
If she's writing a book about bored to tears, lonely, narcissistic male expats I'm going to give it a try for the lulz.
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C'mon Wolli, you wouldn't read most of the books then.
But I also have to admit that I'm not attracted to this type of literature (the stuff that sells and it's written using a recipe/pattern/cliches), so probably won't even give it a go...I'm also one of those who won't read/see "Fifty shades of grey".

As I am NOT masochistic I abstain from reading silly books.
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As I am NOT masochistic I abstain from reading silly books.
It is apparent from some of the comments that this book is perhaps a victim of its marketing. The title, the (North American) cover art, and flippant descriptions focusing on the sex and "lonely housewife" aspect of the book have it pegged by many as a trade romance or "chiclit" book. Which it is not. It is a complex, literary exploration of the interplay between psychology and place written by a respected poet in a voice that (love it or hate it) is unique.

Publishers control all aspects of marketing and promotion with an iron grip (I used to work for one and the attention to detail in this aspect is crazy). This only makes me think that they were purposefully trying to draw in a larger readership of those who enjoy the "steamy urban romance" type of novel. At the same time it is a shame that such assumptions about the book may put off those who would otherwise enjoy a more "serious" read.

Or, there are always the types (like my dad) who immediately discount all books written by and about women as being 'fluff'. I recall when he saw me reading The No.1 Ladies Detective Agency. He scoffed rather rudely and asked "Why do you waste time on that crap?". Of course, he only focused on the title and did not realize that those books are sparely, lovingly and engagingly written odes to the people, landscape, customs and psychology of Botswana. And written by a man. Some books really should not be judged by their covers...
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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

And M-MPoyle, when do we have the pleasure to read your book? I love you writing style .
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Or, there are always the types (like my dad) who immediately discount all books written by and about women as being 'fluff'. I recall when he saw me reading The No.1 Ladies Detective Agency. He scoffed rather rudely and asked "Why do you waste time on that crap?". Of course, he only focused on the title and did not realize that those books are sparely, lovingly and engagingly written odes to the people, landscape, customs and psychology of Botswana. And written by a man. Some books really should not be judged by their covers...
I personally don't recall anyone from my family having this kind of prejudices (they had others instead) but I fully understand your point and agree that this book might be a victim of the marketing/PR. I, for one, read a lot of books written by female authors - in fact I just finished one by Isabel Allende. I have another one by a Russian author waiting on a bookshelf, so what I'm trying to say is - being the egalitarian (and a bit of a feminist, at heart) that I am, I take books (and people) on a case-by-case basis so it doesn't really matter the cover is a North-American thing, there were other details that sort of put me off.
But I admit I might be totally wrong and this book deserves a chance.
Btw. I think publishing companies don't have it easy, let's make them some justice. I believe that, comparatively, it's about 20 times (more?) easier to promote a male author than a female author.
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Btw. I think publishing companies don't have it easy, let's make them some justice. .
You can say that again! Even the giants have a tough time of it. I do not blame them for making tough choices regarding book selection and promotion at all - though it is tough to accept that publishers would take on dreck like 50 Shades of Grey (even those who like it admit that the writing is excruciating) over the mountains of more quality (though less marketable) submissions. Its survival.

I worked for western Canada's largest, most established publisher. They attempted to hold on to their artistic integrity while establishing a market that would keep them afloat (developed a good, recession-proof niche, were technology savvy, worked hard on selling international rights, etc.). It was never not a struggle. It was only kept going by its brilliant publisher and co-founder and government grants. Sadly, it filed for bankruptcy protection and its imprints were sold off, piecemeal, in 2011. What a shame. They produced some beautiful and iconic Canadian books. In an interesting bit of irony, they were offered Canadian rights to Harry Potter before it became a sensation, and they turned it down as not being suitable for their children's imprint. Sigh. It could have saved them
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