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Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

The live of expats discussed in Blick:
http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/fif...id3724965.html
(in German).

Now waiting for the reader's letter from my compatriots ("they take our jobs", "they take our flats" etc.).
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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

Read this book and I found Hausfrau quite well written. I truly hope for the expat mums and other 'foreign' mums in Switzerland, that they live a happier life than Anna. I felt really sorry for her and tried to understand her and her desperation. Being in a strange country, feeling extremely lonely.

Poor woman.

I am wondering how the Swiss would think of this book, the translation will be published in September. I overheard two older Swiss ladies talking about the article in the Blick am Abend and I am sure that they have not read Hausfrau, only the article. I heard them saying "expats"...., "nöd integriert"..

Anyone read this book? What were your thoughts?

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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

I never understood that "fifty grey" title, a straight BDSM dungeon is black and red.
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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

Shouldn't Anna have learned the language after 9 years of living there?
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I never understood that "fifty grey" title, a straight BDSM dungeon is black and red.
"Fifty shades" means a wide range of moods, and "Grey" is the name of the lead character.
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"Fifty shades" means a wide range of moods, and "Grey" is the name of the lead character.
In that book, BDSM is just a huge grey area???
This author just has no idea...
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The live of expats discussed in Blick:
http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/fif...id3724965.html
(in German).

Now waiting for the reader's letter from my compatriots ("they take our jobs", "they take our flats" etc.).
many of the reader comments are blaming english speaking expats for not learning German and not integrating.
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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

Anyone has the book (in English) to loan? (I'm not fully integrated yet ).
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many of the reader comments are blaming english speaking expats for not learning German and not integrating.
Not learning the language was the first thing that caught my attention. I haven't read the book, but it sounds like a ridiculous thesis to cast the character as a victim of Switzerland. Any calls for the subsidizing of BDSM gear?


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Anyone has the book (in English) to loan? (I'm not fully integrated yet ).
Someone I know torrented an eBook because he says he refuses to pay for such. Anyone happen to see an eBook of this one?
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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

the language part makes me laugh. one spends all the money on learning German. Then you go to work, try to speak and they all moan beuase they have to speak to you in High german.

they dont teach swiss german (not really).

i now speak to my colleagues in cockey rhyming slang - when they dont understand i tell them to learn dialect!
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Shouldn't Anna have learned the language after 9 years of living there?
No, better continue complaining about not being accepted by the locals.
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No, better continue complaining about not being accepted by the locals.
I guess, some of her ...f%ckbuddies... must have been locals.
They probably accepted her - but there obviously wasn't much talking going on.
Not even pillow-talk.
Else she would have had one problem less.
I wonder what happened to the kids. Share custody must be difficult when one part is living across the pond.
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many of the reader comments are blaming english speaking expats for not learning German and not integrating.
except when they're complaining about the Germans.



the language barrier complaint in Switzerland is superficial and a red herring - any expat who has learned the language can tell you that the real list of complaints runs much, much deeper.
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except when they're complaining about the Germans.
In this case, it's the other way around : Germans complaining the Swiss Germans can't speak German even when they try.
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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

I read the first page on Amazon.

It began by describing the S8 train route into Zurich which made me glow with "Oooh, I know all about the S8" pride.

But then it described Horgen and Thalwil as "tiny towns in which tiny lives are led" and I thought " f*** off".

That's all I know about it.
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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

On Hausfrau:
I have to admit the book is entertaining, and the references to life in Switzerland we encounter everyday draws me in personally and vests my engagement in the story. Its like watching a film shot in your own neighborhood. Pretty good editing, with cuts to different points in time. It has good rhythm. Good writing.

I've only read through the first third of the book, "September". The character, Anna, is somewhat of a spineless whore. I feel like slapping her silly, but I imagine she's headed towards a big meltdown. Interesting psychological insight on how some people abuse sex to escape reality. I'll buy the book. Kudos to the author.
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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

Anna is probably NOT the best American Expat representative, NOR is Dietlikon the best Swiss community, but HAUSFRAU by Jill Alexander certainly kept our international book club entertained. Sadly, too much of Anna's sadness and isolation is true for many expats. It takes a lot of effort and good luck to integrate into Switzerland.

Had a Swiss patient tell me he was never accepted in Kanton Schwyz, even after forty years. He was from Zürich... go figure...

Sure glad I brought a useful job with me, which has helped....

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Anyone has the book (in English) to loan? (I'm not fully integrated yet ).
I just borrowed it from my local public library
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Re: Fifty Shades of Dietlikon - Hausfrau a Novel

I read about half the book until something very sad happened (I won't spoil) and then I couldn't deal any longer. I agree the writing was good and there were some nice observations. But what was her problem -- she had little kids, lived in a beautiful country, and had resources. I too felt like giving her a slap.
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I read about half the book until something very sad happened (I won't spoil) and then I couldn't deal any longer. I agree the writing was good and there were some nice observations. But what was her problem -- she had little kids, lived in a beautiful country, and had resources. I too felt like giving her a slap.
That is about where I also stopped, and haven't bothered finish yet. She basically had a sex addiction in Swizerland... The End.

To be fair, I think I will finish it when I run out of torrents to watch.
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