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Re: Would you trade in your current Swiss life(style) and move back to England?

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It's amazing some of you closed-minded people managed to move to Switzerland in the first place.
Sometimes there isn't a great deal of choice. I met a couple in Zurich who had the option of moving to Switzerland within a month's notice or the husband taking redundancy. They chose the move.

In circumstances like that it is easy to see how someone could end up in a difficult situation.
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Re: Would you trade in your current Swiss life(style) and move back to England?

Who is Mr Farage?
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Old 14.05.2015, 22:09
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Re: Would you trade in your current Swiss life(style) and move back to England?

Google his name and UKIP and you get plenty information
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Old 14.05.2015, 22:11
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Google his name and UKIP and you get plenty information
I sensed rhetoric.
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Old 14.05.2015, 22:46
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Re: Would you trade in your current Swiss life(style) and move back to England?

I've been here 5 years or so, and this is a question I've asked myself a lot. But then I had this interesting experience recently.

One of the HR people here called me and asked if I might be interested in a position that had recently been created that would have been a promotion for me. "And even better", she added, "It's likely to be in London, so you'd be going home".

I was struck by my emotional response to that added information. Let's just say that my heart didn't leap for joy. I said I'd think about it, but didn't follow it up.

As others have said, I love to go back to the UK from time to time. Being able to talk proper, like. The incomparable sense of humour and coded self-deprecation. And I love the real beer, real sausages, even fish and chips -- which I hardly ever ate when I lived there but these days, tastes divine.

I've plenty of friends and family there and always have fun when I visit. At Christmas last time we spent a few days at friends near Brighton and visited lots of quaint Sussex pubs and villages. It was a form of paradise to someone accustomed to the (relative) sterility of Swiss life.

And yet.

And yet, as always, after a week or 10 days in England I'm missing Switzerland. I start to see that Swiss "sterility" is really a high form of civilisation and decency, even if it's often portrayed as the opposite. I start to feel claustrophobic in the cluttered UK with its noise, its pollution, the endless squabbling and tetchiness and sense of decline.

Nowhere are all these things illustrated better than in the public transport system where an announcement of a train cancellation is greeted with barely more than a shrug and a yawn. Maybe I've been unlucky but my last three Christmases have been almost ruined by an utterly decrepit train system made worse by an astonishing agreement to shut down all the main overground services over Christmas and the New Year -- precisely when people want to travel. Strikes and power failures have been the bitter icing on these Christmas cakes.

When the day comes to get back on my plane at Heathrow, I well and truly feel that I am "going home", and it's this that I remind myself of when I'm tempted by nostalgia.
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Old 14.05.2015, 22:51
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Re: Would you trade in your current Swiss life(style) and move back to England?

We lived in London for a few years and coming to Switzerland was an absolute culture shock. Our first two years were difficult as I struggled to find a job and learn a new language.

After 7 years we had the opportunity to move and after a lot of consideration we decided not to.

We realised that we have pretty good life style here compared to most other places. We found that the mentality in the UK is often that you have to work very long hours. Leaving "early" is frowned upon. Where the Swiss, in general, embrace a healthy work-life balance. Childcare in the UK is ridiculously expensive and so are rent compared to your salary. For us safety was another concern and I really disliked the UK weather.

I think in the end you have to think what are the things that are really important to you and your family. Sometimes just moving to another house or town can make a big difference.

I do miss the art, teaters, shopping, etc. but after a trip to the UK I am always happy to come back home to Switzerland.
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Old 14.05.2015, 23:07
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Re: Would you trade in your current Swiss life(style) and move back to England?

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Re: Would you trade in your current Swiss life(style) and move back to England?

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Then why do live in Geneva? At least according to your profile?

Live in London - just been lazy... You must be Swiss (moaner)
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Old 15.05.2015, 14:00
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Life doesn't have CTRL Z keys.
Going to live in a country one has lived in previously, is not really going 'back'. The place has probably changed. And so have we.

I love going to England again for a visit. Speaking idiomatic English. Seeing hedges. Visiting places I knew in my childhood and seeing friends with whom I've been in contact for sixty years.

Regrets on having lived most of my life here? Maybe minor ones. When my parents were old, I couldn't help them much. I was lucky in that my sister was near them and could. As all members of the family died suddenly, there would have been no chance of a 'special goodbye' anyway,

Carpe diem. Weigh up the pros and cons. And look forwards.

Hope all goes well whatever you decide to do.

Never mind that I agree with you, welcome back!
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Old 15.05.2015, 14:18
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Re: Would you trade in your current Swiss life(style) and move back to England?

I recently moved back to Scotland after living in Switzerland for 5 years. I never hated Switzerland but it was never home for me.

There are a lot of things I miss from Switzerland:
  • The weather...OMG the weather
  • The roads. Road quality is far better
  • The house rental market. People might think this is a bit funny but in Neuchatel it really wasn't that bad. The apartments I've been looking at here are pretty awful and small and not cheap at all (considering my lower than CH salary). The up side is that it is much easier to get onto the property ladder and buy own my own place

That's all I can think of just now. In general I feel a lot more comfortable back home but Switzerland will always hold a special place in my heart.

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Old 15.05.2015, 15:02
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Re: Would you trade in your current Swiss life(style) and move back to England?

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We came back to U.K after 2 years in Germany gasping for being with close friends and family again, being able to have a conversation without it feeling like a big effort, enjoying a nice pint in a cosy pub after a walk in the Peak District, the gardens, the National Trust visits, the creativity... and then the reality kicked in: a lot of people on edge, binge drinking and litter, swearing, not feeling very safe, long working hours, not much of an outdoor life for the kids and only a portion of the freedom they had enjoyed in Germany... and now we are here in Switzerland to stay. We DO miss many things from the U.K., but not enough to go back in the short term anyway. I think a lot depends on the age of your children, circumstances, stage of your lives... everyone will give you a different reply but nobody can tell on your behalf...follow your guts.
Thank you for this honest answer and especially what you experienced when you came back home. This would be my fear that we look so forward of moving back home and once we're back, we would fall in this black hole because we over-romanticised it all. Then we would be back where we all started (just now in the UK instead of CH)
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Old 15.05.2015, 15:17
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Re: Would you trade in your current Swiss life(style) and move back to England?

Stay here. With Cameron elected England is on the down hill.
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After having had a rough start in Switzerland 2 years ago (think of a major but then I mean major culture shock) coming from London and moving to a small village nearby Luzern. Now I have always said when the right opportunity comes, we will move back to England and now that opportunity has come.

For some reason I have serious doubt about leaving Switzerland now as my husband has a good job, I have now joined several courses and hope to have again a good job in the future and our daughter loves to be outside and be one with nature and just loves it here. We have built up nice social lives, joined into the village community and all seems to fall in its place.

I would like to know who was in this same position? What have you chosen and what were your reasons for it?
Also, if you could choose, would you stay or would you go and why?
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Old 15.05.2015, 15:24
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Stay here. With Cameron elected England is on the down hill.
That's what not British business is saying. Even that staunch labour supporter Sir Alan Sugar has left it's ranks.

It's business that boosts a country's economy and allows it to thrive.

What would you prefer? (and how would you pay for it?)
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Stay here. With Cameron elected England is on the down hill.
Geographical and political nil point there.

I don't mind Switzerland and we have been here 6 years, and if we were to move back to Blighty tomorrow there are things I would miss... but I'd be home, and tbh think whilst far from perfect, I prefer The UK.
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Old 15.05.2015, 15:44
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Live in London - just been lazy... You must be Swiss (moaner)
No in both cases
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That's what not British business is saying. Even that staunch labour supporter Sir Alan Sugar has left it's ranks.

It's business that boosts a country's economy and allows it to thrive.

What would you prefer? (and how would you pay for it?)




Ask all the people of 0 hour- contracts how they feel they are thriving!
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Re: Would you trade in your current Swiss life(style) and move back to England?

yes. Business is good but the profits go to the rich .And say that to the people who are being forced out of London because the prices for accommodation are getting out of reach
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It's business that boosts a country's economy and allows it to thrive.

What would you prefer? (and how would you pay for it?)
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yes. Business is good but the profits go to the rich .And say that to the people who are being forced out of London because the prices for accommodation are getting out of reach
Actually no. Profits go to those that run the businesses. It's called incentive.
Whether they are rich or not is neither here not there.

Rising house prices is a by-product of success. They go up here too so that's hardly an argument for Switzerland being better, is it?
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Actually no. Profits go to those that run the businesses. It's called incentive.
Actually no. Profits go to those that own the businesses. It's called capitalism.
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Actually no. Profits go to those that own the businesses. It's called capitalism.
and the people who complain about capitaism nevertheless get upset when their pension pot is endangered because those anti-capitalist measures they demand actually have an effect.
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