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I am a Roman Catholic, Indian Origin with Portugal Citizenship.
I Speak/Read/Write English fluently and plan to learn the German Language.
Im now 36 yrs (Male)
Studied in Mumbai India (15 Grade/TyBcom) and have a (2.5 yrs post graduate) MBA in Finance & Marketing from XLRI Jamshedpur (DUBAI Chapter/Branch).
I have 7.7 yrs Indian experience in Customer Service & 6.5 Yrs. Dubai experience as MIS/Business Analyst(Non IT).
Have experience in BPO(7.7yrs starting from 1999), MIS in Banking (2.5 yrs) & Business Analyst in Real Estate (4.5 yrs) sectors, i.e. a total of 14.5 yrs currently working in Real Estate sector.
I currently earn 10,000 AED.
Plan to work in Zurich/Geneva and get my family to Switzerland once I settle down.
I plan to use my annual leave of 30 days in Dubai and proceed with the job hunt in Switzerland.

I Need guidance on the following:
1. What are the odds of me landing up a job and on an average how long does it generally take. Should I start applying before I land in Switzerland or after.
2. Does my Indian & Dubai Work Experiences count and which Job Profile should I target.
3. What kind of salary can I expect from such a Job Profile.
4. Which Companies Should I target.
5. Would it be easy or difficult for me to get a work permit.
6. How many weekly offs are provided by these companies and on which days as I have a Fri+Sat here in Dubai.
7. Since Its going to be difficult & expensive initially where should I rent a 1 Bedroom+Hall+Kitchen.
8. Are we allowed to do a 2nd job in Switzerland after working hours as that can also add to my income if things tend to get financially difficult.

9. How much % should I allocate for the below monthly expense heads;
A. Monthly Salary before Tax - 100%
B. Monthy Tax - ?
C. Housing Rent -?
D. Electricity & Water - ?
E. Internet Charges - ?
F. Cable Charges - ?
G. Public Transport to work & back - ?
H. School Fees + All school related expense (for my 5 grade CBSE Curriculum), is schooling & related expense borne by the State.
I. Grocery - ? as I would prefer to cook my own indian food initially.
J. Total Savings after above expenses - ?

10. What are the different weekend activity one can indulge in.
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Welcome to the forum.

Do some reading on this forum and you will find the answer to most of your questions.
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Wow Andy! What an introduction!

What I understand is that you are officially Portuguese (ie: European Citizen) with all work experience in India.

Answering Questions
1. Both - you can do it on the Internet. Make your CV in pdf form, include a photo (check out www.manpower.ch for examples on Swiss applications)
2. All experience counts, but they also have to like you to hire you.
3. No idea, but enough to live on. It depends what job you want, and that you have to decide for yourself. No-one can do it for you.
4. Anyone willing to give you an interview, but primarily English speaking International companies are your best bet.
5. Both. A company that want you, will make the effort. As an EU citizen, you have it easier than the Americans, and harder than the Swiss.
6. Depends on your job. Usually we have Saturday and Sunday off, as it is a catholic (yeah, go on - dig), not Muslim nation.
7. Your decision. Hotels are expensive, flat shares are an option. Check out www.comparis.ch for where you are thinking of living.
8. You usually wouldnt need to if you have a job at the level you are probably looking at, with those qualifications.
9. You can pay any rent you want - up to 10,000 CHF a month. You can also find things for 500 a month. I have no idea what a rupee is worth in CHF.
You will most likely have to pay for your schooling yourself.
10. All of them(!!)


Fundamentally, life is different here! Very different than Deli, Mumbai or Chennai. I suggest you visit here for a few weeks, have a look around, see what you think, what you think of the people, about if you think you could live here, then decide.
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Re: Need your kind advice on Job, Housing, Schooling etc.

Welcome to the forum! Are you, by chance, from Goa?

As a Portuguese citizen you can come to Switzerland and get an L job seekers permit valid for 6 months and renewable. You are probably better off being here in terms of chances of finding work.

However, it is very expensive to live here and finding a job could take up to 18 months as there is fierce competition.

The first thing you're going to have to do is decide what jobs you want and what you can bring that is better than all the rest. You are also at a disadvantage with your lack of local language skills. That already reduces the number of jobs open to you by at least half.

Let me stress, there are lots of people going for the same job. With this this type of competition, wishy-washy, undefined profiles/CVs and not great language skills are just not going to cut it. You need to first focus on that before you even consider anything else.

The only reasonable thing to do is to search from where you are, use linkedin and network, network, network, even if only online.

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You need to decide where you want to live here because it'll be no good learning German if you end up in Geneva where they speak French. Zurich is a German speaking city.

International schooling is expensive and certainly won't be paid for by the State. Public schools are of course covered under State education.

There are plenty of sticky threads here on the forum that will cover a lot of your questions so have a look at them first - also the ones in Employment which give companies who might be looking for English speakers. This will also help:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...hweiz/faq.html

The main thing to stress regarding any job applications is that you are Portugese and have a Portugese passport (I hope). Otherwise you'll be taken for a non-EU national and it's much harder for employers here to hire them.
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The main thing to stress regarding any job applications is that you are Portugese and have a Portugese passport (I hope).
He doesn't need a passport. His ID card is enough.
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He doesn't need a passport. His ID card is enough.
He'll need a passport to get into Switzerland from Dubai I assume - or can he travel with only an ID card?
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Re: Need your kind advice on Job, Housing, Schooling etc.

You said you had Portuguese citizenship, but not if you speak the language. If you do, Geneva is a good choice - Portuguese is nearly a second official language here.
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He'll need a passport to get into Switzerland from Dubai I assume - or can he travel with only an ID card?
So when you said...

"The main thing to stress regarding any job applications is that you are Portugese and have a Portugese passport (I hope). Otherwise you'll be taken for a non-EU national and it's much harder for employers here to hire them."

... you were talking about how he plans to travel from Dubai to Switzerland? Sorry. It seems my mind reading app is down.

To prove he is an EU citizen and eligible to work in Switzerland, he doesn't need a passport. He can use his national ID card.

To travel internationally, well, my guess is he knows how to do that.
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So when you said...

"The main thing to stress regarding any job applications is that you are Portugese and have a Portugese passport (I hope). Otherwise you'll be taken for a non-EU national and it's much harder for employers here to hire them."

... you were talking about how he plans to travel from Dubai to Switzerland? Sorry. It seems my mind reading app is down.

To prove he is an EU citizen and eligible to work in Switzerland, he doesn't need a passport. He can use his national ID card.

To travel internationally, well, my guess is he knows how to do that.
Thank you everyone for your valuable feedback.

Im a Goan and recently received my Portugal Passport. I had initially worked in Bombay for 7.7 yrs in BPOs and then moved on to Dubai with experience in Banking and Business Analysis (Currently in Dubai). Though Dubai is a nice place the economy freaks me out, you have 2 yrs of Boom and 4 yrs of bust and job security is terrible compared to India. I speak English, Hindi, Marathi & understand Gujrati but cannot speak it . I guess English is the only language for now that can save me in Switzerland.

I plan to move to Switzerland as it offer a better economy (I hope) and yes there is a language barrier that I plan to overcome by learning either Swiss German or French before I move to Switzerland.

Can any of you'll guide me to some good websites that offer free language tutorials. I understand Swiss German is different from German language and is french also the same.

Also I learnt that the swiss citizens have voted against immigrants. What the future for us then.
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Re: Need your kind advice on Job, Housing, Schooling etc.

Welcome to EF

There are a plethora of threads that address the same questions you have asked, so I'd read up on those first. E.g for resources on language learning, a search on EF resulted in this thread containing useful links: Resources for learning Swiss german [all dialects]

As for your chances to get a job here... it's neither realistic, nor useful to expect us answering it. There are people of all walks of life here, so yes it's possible to find a job and live in Switzerland, but each individual will face different challenges and opportunities, based on various outside and personal factors. I wish you well in your job search and language learning

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job security is terrible compared to India.

I plan to move to Switzerland as it offer a better economy (I hope)
How important is job security to you?

In Switzerland one can be fired for no reason - all that is necessary is that the company follow the contractual notice period. Technically the only job security one has is the 3 (or 6) month notice period.



So... Give Switzerland a try, but do so with your eyes open and a Plan B in your back pocket.

Wishing you all the best.
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Welcome !

Come and get some experience of the country before investing a lot of money and time to send applications, learn the language etc.
Switzerland is completely different from India and Dubai and life here would require from you a 180 degree u-turn. You may not like it at all.

Come and visit first; that will help you regardless of the decision to move or not. Good luck
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Is there any specific location in Switzerland having mainly Indians/Goans residing. Like in Canada, Vancover & Toronto is a preferred choice.
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Thank you everyone for your valuable feedback.

Im a Goan and recently received my Portugal Passport. I had initially worked in Bombay for 7.7 yrs in BPOs and then moved on to Dubai with experience in Banking and Business Analysis (Currently in Dubai). Though Dubai is a nice place the economy freaks me out, you have 2 yrs of Boom and 4 yrs of bust and job security is terrible compared to India. I speak English, Hindi, Marathi & understand Gujrati but cannot speak it . I guess English is the only language for now that can save me in Switzerland.

I plan to move to Switzerland as it offer a better economy (I hope) and yes there is a language barrier that I plan to overcome by learning either Swiss German or French before I move to Switzerland.

Can any of you'll guide me to some good websites that offer free language tutorials. I understand Swiss German is different from German language and is french also the same.

Also I learnt that the swiss citizens have voted against immigrants. What the future for us then.
Not a lot of point in learning Swiss German - go for the High German first. Swiss German varies depending on where you end up living so if you learn Zurich German you probably won't be understood in Bern where they speak Bern German. Plus all the documentation you'll see will be in High German anyway.

As for the immigration vote no one knows for sure yet. The Federal government has until 2017 to come up with a plan and the EU don't want to play ball on changing the Free Movement agreement.

I agree with FMX on visiting first. Switzerland isn't for everyone and you could get here and find you hate it. It has happened to others. It'll also give you a chance to sample life here without being committed to taking it further if it turns out not to offer what you imagine.
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Thanks Medea F.. Is French spoken in Geneva the same as that spoken in France or is it different. and is there more scope of landing a job in Geneva than in Zurich. I ask because if i come on a short visit to zurich, it wont be enough to know a lot about Geneva. Also if French language is stable I might as well learn that and try my luck in Geneva.
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Yes, the French is the same pretty much, no dialects to contend with as with Swiss German. There are a few words that are different, but they are very few. Instead of saying the French soixante-dix for seventy, the Swiss say septante for example.

No idea what the job market is like in Geneva compared to Zurich, you'd have to investigate that yourself. If you're taking the 30 holiday days all in one hit then you'll have plenty of time to explore both options.

Also check these websites to see what fits your skills/experience:

www.jobs.ch
www.jobup.ch
www.monster.co.uk (yes they have Swiss jobs advertised, you just need to persuade the location setting to change to Switzerland - it can be stubborn about it sometimes.)
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He'll need a passport to get into Switzerland from Dubai I assume - or can he travel with only an ID card?
He will need a passport to leave Dubai, but a Portuguese ID is fine to enter CH, regardless of where you are coming from.

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Is there any specific location in Switzerland having mainly Indians/Goans residing. Like in Canada, Vancover & Toronto is a preferred choice.
It's hard to say whether Zurich or Geneva has the biggest Indian community. There you'll find most Indians living in Switzerland I guess and the largest international community..but also the hardest competition to get a job.
AFIK the tourism market between Switzerland and India is blooming. Many tourists from India visit places like Luzern and Interlaken i.E. Maybe the hotel/tourism industry could be interested in your profile.
https://www.hotelleriesuisse.ch/en/pub/index.htm
This is the link of the swiss association of hotels. Have a look.
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I am a Roman Catholic.
Remember that in Switzerland, you pay the church tax as soon as you put a cross for your religion in an official document, starting with the Anmeldung (the document stating that you register officially at the address you are living so that the authorities know where you are). From there, it's church tax on top of the rest.

Just so that you know.
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