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Old 19.05.2015, 11:09
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Re: School asking children to take knifs to school - is this legal

More traumatic for the child will be time away from their mobile phone.
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Re: School asking children to take knifs to school - is this legal

Small world Belgianmum!
I am an asst Scout leader in Waterloo! Until I move that is....
Going to,hang my necker up for a while then!
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Old 19.05.2015, 11:19
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Small world Belgianmum!
I am an asst Scout leader in Waterloo! Until I move that is....
Going to,hang my necker up for a while then!
I was with 1st Brussels in Tervuren until we left Belgium in 2010. First with Beavers and the Cubs and I stayed with cubs even though our son had moved up to scouts by then.
I still have my necker and uniform in a drawer but it hasn't seen the light of day for a while.
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Old 19.05.2015, 11:25
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Re: School asking children to take knifs to school - is this legal

How many kids impale themselves with a pocket knife in CH every year, anybody?

I guess not very many.

Of course there is a danger, but kids need to learn about danger.

I wish I'd been able to do stuff like this as a kid.
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Old 19.05.2015, 13:15
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Re: School asking children to take knifs to school - is this legal

I'm sure that many parents in the UK would be horrified by this. I think it is a good idea that children are taught responsible use of knives.

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Old 19.05.2015, 13:27
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I'm sure that many parents in the UK would be horrified by this. I think it is a good idea that children are taught responsible use of knives.
I got my first pocket knife in the U.K. when I was nine (from my aunt). I cut my self almost straight away and learn't a valuable lesson - knives are sharp and should be treated with care and respect.

A lot of parents in the U.K. are horrified about everything - that's why kids are getting rickets - lack of sun caused by constant high factor sun cream. U.K. children are also now considered (by the W.H.O) to be the fattest in the world - as no one wants to tell their parents to shut up and listen and feed them properly.
That's why they are driven to school - in case they are snatched away.
That's why they are given the biggest and most expensive birthday parties -lest other parents think they are not the best.

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Old 19.05.2015, 13:56
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Re: School asking children to take knifs to school - is this legal

Although most of these comments are logical...I spent a worried weekend when my son went camping with the school and proudly packed his 12cm blade...yes I trust him, yes I think he will have a great time - but it freaked me out totally - there is no way all kids in the group could be supervised and the teacher is a little distracted most of the time.

It all ended well though - so this is just a message to Obone - I get you and share your discomfort (and I'm not British...just a mom)
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Old 19.05.2015, 14:06
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Re: School asking children to take knifs to school - is this legal

Ok I'll crawl back into my hole now 😝

Oh bugger I just cut myself on my razor sharp whit

Thx all
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Old 19.05.2015, 14:09
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I was 5 or 6 in 60's Britain, when I took my first mini pocket knife to school ..... it lasted till morning playtime before it got confiscated, because I was flashing it around to all my mates.
In this day and age (in the UK), forget about confiscation, you'd probably spend the night in a cell
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Old 19.05.2015, 14:11
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Re: School asking children to take knifs to school - is this legal

Our two older kids (9 and 7) each have pocket knives accessible to them in our kitchen drawer that they use for cutting and carving in our garden. The youngest at 4 does not have his own knife yet but loves helping me cook in the kitchen. I give him vegetables to chop and a short sharp kitchen knife. He has excellent fine motor skills and knows not to walk around with an open blade. So far, all three of them live
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Old 19.05.2015, 14:15
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Small world Belgianmum!
I am an asst Scout leader in Waterloo! Until I move that is....
Going to,hang my necker up for a while then!
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I was with 1st Brussels in Tervuren until we left Belgium in 2010. First with Beavers and the Cubs and I stayed with cubs even though our son had moved up to scouts by then.
I still have my necker and uniform in a drawer but it hasn't seen the light of day for a while.
I was an assistant Cub Scout leader, then assistant venture scout leader back in Lancashire many moons ago, that's how I met my hubby!
Getting back to knives, I remember one or two scouts bringing hunting knives when we went camping for our week long summer camp in the Lake District.
I don't remember anyone being overly concerned, a bit scary now when you think about it!
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Old 19.05.2015, 14:27
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to my horror, we got this letter from the school this week. my first thought is that they are absolutely insane but then again this is CH where children’s safety doesn’t seem be taking into account (well, according to them they are responsible for their own actions), but to expect 7-11 year olds to carry 12 inch blade to school!!!

is this illegal?
Could be worse ..... they could be watching butterflies:









But hopefully they wont start to play splitsies, yet.
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Old 19.05.2015, 14:43
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Re: School asking children to take knifs to school - is this legal

The story next week in 20minuten will read like:

The annual trip to the local woods for the children to learn important outdoor skills went tragically wrong when the teacher asked the Australian child whether they had brought their knife, showing the child a Swiss Army knife.

The Australian child responded "That's not a knife.........."

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Old 19.05.2015, 14:46
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Re: School asking children to take knifs to school - is this legal

First rule of thumb: Do not panic. Go to your nearest Swiss neighbor and ask for a translation and an explanation...

oh, and when you see Swiss Military guys getting on trains with guns...again, do not panic. Go to Swiss neighbor and repeat process...
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Old 19.05.2015, 15:13
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Could be worse ..... they could be watching butterflies:
Just to make things clear. Butterflies are considered as weapons by the Swiss law.
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi.../index.html#a4
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Old 19.05.2015, 15:21
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Re: School asking children to take knifs to school - is this legal

I do not see your problem. Quite normal pocket knifes -- quite normal Equipment of schoolchildren
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Old 19.05.2015, 15:33
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It says that children "may" carry a pocketknife on these trips, not that they must. So if you're not confident your kid can handle the responsibility, it's OK not to give her one yet. And 12cm is the maximum allowed length, shorter is OK too.

8-9 years old strikes me as about right for a first pocketknife though, to be honest. Old enough to have concrete tasks they want to do with a knife (especially in the forest: building play-houses out of sticks and string is a big one at that age, so is sharpening sticks to roast sausages on) and old enough to understand instructions like "never cut toward your hand".

If you do give your kid a knife, make sure it's a good sharp one. Dull knife = more pressure required = actually more likely to cut yourself when the blade slips. Then go out and practice a bit yourselves, emphasizing safe vs. unsafe ways to cut off a branch, cut a length of string, whittle a stick to a sharp point etc.


MAY of course, but it is expected
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Old 19.05.2015, 15:40
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Not such a big deal in the land of S.A.K.'s ..... especially as 12cm is considerably shorter than 12 inches.

Sush, don't tell my old lady that !
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Old 19.05.2015, 17:07
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Re: School asking children to take knifs to school - is this legal

About 20 years ago, my brother and his 8 year old came to visit me in Geneva. It was one of the hottest weeks in July. We must have gone into every shop to get THE Swiss Army knife. He looked at them all over and over again.

Us telling him they were the same knives - just a different shop went down on deaf ears.

He did eventually get his knife - In Manor where we had started out!! And then, only then, could we go and buy some chocolates for his Mum.

My brother and i were sweaty, grumpy, beer necking lumps by then. But the look on his wee face was special!!

He was diagnosed with Aspergers a few years later, so perhaps the concentration and seriousness of his quest is understandable.

Probably still has it. And i never heard of missing fingers or thumbs.
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Old 19.05.2015, 17:21
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Re: School asking children to take knifs to school - is this legal

I love the schools here. Yes, the Swiss seem to be little (or a lot) naive concerning child safety. On the other hand, the educational model here seems to afford a lot of children a really positive environment to explore their intellect and creativity on multiple levels.

By the way, 12 cm is a LOT different than 12 inches. And a knife is a LOT different than a gun.

I'd personally feel much safer sending my child to school in any Swiss town or city than sending my child to school in the States. Did you know that kindergarten and the montessori method of education was first made popular by Germany/Switzerland? The idea of young boys and girls running around with knives in their hands is disturbing I think to most Americans, but, on the other hand, the children here are taught a kind of independence and comprehensive thinking that tend to be sorely lacking in American schools. Don't you think?

Also, aren't you proud of your young sons and/or daughters when they come home from school and can easily speak two or even three languages? The private schools here are WAY too expensive, but the public schools do seem to do a good job. However, I would like to see the Swiss come to terms with the realities of rates of kidnapping, sexual child predators, and violent crime against children of all ages. On the other hand, isn't it nice to not have to deal with violent gangs and rampant date rape, violent sexual harassment, and verbal abuses that are regularly experienced among children in the American public school system?

I can't wait to hear your thoughts....
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