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About 20 years ago, my brother and his 8 year old came to visit me in Geneva. It was one of the hottest weeks in July. We must have gone into every shop to get THE Swiss Army knife. He looked at them all over and over again.

Us telling him they were the same knives - just a different shop went down on deaf ears.
There is/was Wenger and Victorinox (the former now owned by the later)

If you want to play mean, that one is the closed to the oficial version back then : http://www.victorinox.com/ch/product...neer/0.8201.26 This version was produced by Wenger and Victorinox for the Swiss Army.

This one is the current one since 2008 : http://www.victorinox.com/ch/product...08/0.8461.MWCH
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In this day and age (in the UK), forget about confiscation, you'd probably spend the night in a cell
Not only that, but in the States you would also be charged with possession of an illegal weapon and sent to a juvenile detention center.
There, you would meet other similarly young criminal minds. Then, you would likely be found guilty of all charge(s), further traumatizing you, your siblings, and parents and then you would have to spend time in another juvenile detention center where you would then be socialized to join a gang, blame others for your problems, get away with whatever you could, and feel stupid and worthless.
And so, as you grew up and were eventually released from the juvenile detention system (hopefully), you would likely have sex and have multiple children from different mothers, teach all your children that fathers are no good, abandon said mothers and children, get fired from your job, and continue on in a life of petty crime to support your growing drug and alcohol habits and continuing mental health problems including depression and antisocial personality disorder. Yay! Go team!
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Old 19.05.2015, 17:43
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The idea of young boys and girls running around with knives in their hands is disturbing I think to most Americans, but, on the other hand, the children here are taught a kind of independence and comprehensive thinking that tend to be sorely lacking in American schools. Don't you think?
Running only when the blade is closed and the knive is in the pocket.

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. However, I would like to see the Swiss come to terms with the realities of rates of kidnapping, sexual child predators, and violent crime against children of all ages.
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I can't wait to hear your thoughts....
Are you a mom or dad, uncle? Look in the mirror and you see the main culprit for those crimes.

Kidnapping by total strangers is a rather rare case. For ex. after the Ylenia case in Appenzell many more children got seriously hurt by cars driven by over protective parents then by any violent and abussive strangers.

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Old 19.05.2015, 17:53
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If you do give your kid a knife, make sure it's a good sharp one. Dull knife = more pressure required = actually more likely to cut yourself when the blade slips.
This is very true, especially in the kitchen.

Meanwhile, my kids were using the meat slicer in the kitchen on their own before they were 10!

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Old 19.05.2015, 17:56
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Kidnapping by total strangers is a rather rare case. For ex. after the Ylenia case in Appenzell many more children got seriously hurt by cars driven by over protective parents then by any violent and abussive strangers.
Absolutely.

The fear of sexual predators lurking behind every tree is often scaremongering and seeking to place the blame on something outside of their control so they can feel all huffed and righteous while turning a blind eye to the things they can do something about.
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Old 19.05.2015, 18:00
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Re: School asking children to take knifs to school - is this legal

Why do people say that a kid carrying a penknife in the UK or US would lead to trouble with the police?

From my experience in the UK that's nonsense - penknives of a reasonable size (< 8cm blade) are perfectly legal, normal pieces of equipment for camping, DIY, fishing and any number of things.

It's illegal to sell a knife to a child in the UK, but not illegal for their parents to give them one or for them to carry one with good reason (e.g. camping, scouts, outdoor sports).
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Old 19.05.2015, 18:09
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Re: School asking children to take knifs to school - is this legal

When I was in 2nd or 3rd grade, we always took our Army knife for following:

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Absolutely.

The fear of sexual predators lurking behind every tree is often scaremongering and seeking to place the blame on something outside of their control so they can feel all huffed and righteous while turning a blind eye to the things they can do something about.
It is the rare and unusal that makes it on the frontpage.

Here my prediction for the future: Once self driving cars are the norm deaths due to traffic will significantely drop. Down to 1-5% of todays number, which would be 3-15 traffic deaths per year for Switzerland. But those few rare cases will make it on the front page each and every time. With the result that the preceived security is actually lower and the fear of driving in cars is much higher than it is today.

PS: They may also ban motorcycling as it will be deemed too dangerous. Something, only suicidal daredevils will too. Like base jumping and such craziness.
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About 20 years ago, my brother and his 8 year old came to visit me in Geneva. It was one of the hottest weeks in July. We must have gone into every shop to get THE Swiss Army knife. He looked at them all over and over again.

Us telling him they were the same knives - just a different shop went down on deaf ears.

He did eventually get his knife - In Manor where we had started out!! And then, only then, could we go and buy some chocolates for his Mum.

My brother and i were sweaty, grumpy, beer necking lumps by then. But the look on his wee face was special!!

He was diagnosed with Aspergers a few years later, so perhaps the concentration and seriousness of his quest is understandable.

Probably still has it. And i never heard of missing fingers or thumbs.
Sounds like women and shoes, try a pair on in the first shop, visit another 30 shops over period of 3 hours in baking sunshine (no beer available) then back to first shop to purchase first pair tried.

Happens every time !
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Did you know that kindergarten and the montessori method of education was first made popular by Germany/Switzerland?
No s**t, Sherlock.
Did you know that the printing press, the car and the Internet (nope, it wasn't Al Gore) were invented in Germany or Switzerland, respectively ?
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The internet was invented in the US by Vint Cerf when ARPANET was expanded and moved to using TCP/IP - I think you mean WWW which was invented by Tim Berners-Lee (a Brit) at CERN in Switzerland.

I use the term invented loosely as both were combinations of existing technologies.
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Did you know that kindergarten and the montessori method of education was first made popular by Germany/Switzerland?
Kindergarden, perhaps, Montessori, definitely not, unless Rome was part of Switzerland back in the early 1900s.

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No s**t, Sherlock.
Did you know that the printing press, the car and the Internet (nope, it wasn't Al Gore) were invented in Germany or Switzerland, respectively ?
Actually, Gutenburg invented it while living in Strasbourg (France).

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We need a new forum/thread http://www.factcheck.org/
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No s**t, Sherlock.
Did you know that the printing press, the car and the Internet (nope, it wasn't Al Gore) were invented in Germany or Switzerland, respectively ?

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Actually, Gutenburg invented it while living in Strasbourg (France).

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What? The printing press, the car, or the Internet?


I know the answer really.
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Actually, Gutenburg invented it while living in Strasbourg (France).

Tom
But Strasbourg was part of Germany at the time.

Anyway, Gutenberg did not at all invent the printing press. What he actually invented was movable type.
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Re: School asking children to take knifs to school - is this legal

I'm amazed about the paranoia in this thread. A knife? Illegal!? Why?
What do you want to do with your kids when they grow up? Buying pre-packaged industrial food in a carboard box, put it in a microwave and see them turn into diabetic overweight adults with hypertension. Or else learn how to prepare and cook real food?
Try and work this one through - which is more dangerous, a knife used responsibly or a teenager wandering through the streets of Lausanne immersed in a private universe with a smartphone and earplugs isolating him from the world (see the clip produced by the Lausanne police)?
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Try and work this one through - which is more dangerous, a knife used responsibly or a teenager wandering through the streets of Lausanne immersed in a private universe with a smartphone and earplugs isolating him from the world (see the clip produced by the Lausanne police)?
Hmm, nice straw man ya got there.

At a wild guess, the OP's concern is that kids might not use the knives responsibly - and a knife used irresponsibly can be dangerous indeed.

We're also not talking about teenagers either if it comes to that, with or without smartphones. And is there a reason it's got to be either/or? Must parents choose between letting the child have a pocketknife and an iPhone??

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Back to the OP: how soon is this upcoming Project Week thingy? Reason I ask is that I would not send my child off for his first-ever outing with his first-ever pocketknife on a school trip. He needs some one-on-one coaching first, basic safety stuff - and if he hasn't had that already at home then no way am I turning him loose in some forest to hope he'll pick it up from his classmates.

I would seriously recommend you refrain from rushing out to buy a pocketknife unless you know you'll have time between now and then to teach him how to use one safely. And if you're not used to carrying/using knives yourself (which, no offense, it sounds as though you might not be) then please watch some basic knife safety videos online yourself first - not as a substitute for hands-on practice, but just so you don't pass on any dangerous habits when you are showing your kid what to do. Or perhaps better yet, get a more outdoors-y friend to show you both.
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And if you're not used to carrying/using knives yourself (which, no offense, it sounds as though you might not be) then please watch some basic knife safety videos online yourself first ....
Makes me wonder how mankind ever progressed from using flintstones without proper online video tutorials...

But then one doesn't need 10 fingers to procreate:

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I'm amazed about the paranoia in this thread. A knife? Illegal!? Why?
I'm more amazed that you found paranoia on this thread. All I see are posts full of common sense and snarky humour.
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