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... George Orwell will be proud....
Wrong. For two reasons.

1. He's dead
2. He didn't advocate totalitarianism, he was against it. So even if he agreed with you that keeping scooters out of cycle lanes is totalitarianism, I think he'd be depressed rather than proud.

Cars, and presumably moped, scooters and motorcycles, are allowed into cycle lanes if they're turning right, if the lane divider isn't continuous. In fact, we're supposed to do it for safety reasons.
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If line is solid, it's illegal. If line is not solid, it's legal.
I was told that you can overtake all right but cannot drive on the left keeping a row of slow moving cars on your right even if the line in not solid.

However the real fun starts when the road is jammed both lanes so bikers coming towards you start using the center as well. Then is the time to show who's the boss
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Old 29.05.2015, 14:16
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Cars, and presumably moped, scooters and motorcycles, are allowed into cycle lanes if they're turning right, if the lane divider isn't continuous. In fact, we're supposed to do it for safety reasons.
This is one I wish more drivers would understand. Pulling into the cycle lane in advance with indicator on is the best way to tell cyclists you're turning right, particularly in a slow line of traffic when the indicator can't be seen. Or at least move right a bit so your indicator is visible, particularly if the traffic is stopped.

So many times I've had drivers do a sharp right turn across the cycle path without thought or visible indicators.
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However the real fun starts when the road is jammed both lanes so bikers coming towards you start using the center as well. Then is the time to show who's the boss
In Geneva, cars make more space either in the middle or a side to allow bikes and motorbikes to pass through when traffic is moving very slow. A logical way to maximize the use of the road I think.
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Re: The cyclist from hell

Not to hijack the interesting discussion, but in my native country they started to install police near a busy intersection where the light for bicycles was red for minutes and minutes while the pedestrian lights nearby were green. So people had to wait for the red light rather than risk a fine.


This is what happened:
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Old 29.05.2015, 14:36
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This. And more this. They are called CYCLE lanes for a reason.
Oh, I thought they were called PSYCHO lanes.
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Re: The cyclist from hell

[/QUOTE]" he is now actually filming with a small camera all the scooters that are committing offenses!! Never seen that in any other country...[/QUOTE]"

Just to go off on this tangent -
In NZ - I noticed almost all 2 wheel commuters had cameras on their helmets. It helped to prove who is in the wrong in accidents. Even if said helmet wearer is unable to communicate anymore
Many a car has a dashcam too to provide evidence of dangerous driving in case of accident.
ALOT of road rage back home too :-(
To operate a vehicle you need keys and/or pedal power but evidently no common sense or manners.

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Re: The cyclist from hell

My post was initially aimed at highlighting that I find it bizarre to say the least that people start filming each other's traffic offenses. This is something I have never seen elsewhere. In France (and a lot of other countries) it's the opposite: people flash their lights to each other to warn that there are speed controls. I prefer this to everyone playing policeman.
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Wrong. For two reasons.

1. He's dead
2. He didn't advocate totalitarianism, he was against it. So even if he agreed with you that keeping scooters out of cycle lanes is totalitarianism, I think he'd be depressed rather than proud.

Cars, and presumably moped, scooters and motorcycles, are allowed into cycle lanes if they're turning right, if the lane divider isn't continuous. In fact, we're supposed to do it for safety reasons.
I just wanted to use it as a metaphor for a society where everyone spies on each other.

A policeman in Geneva told me once that motorbikes are in fact allowed at snail speed on a cycle lane if the lane is just a line on the street and not built higher or separate. Surely someone can check.
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My post was initially aimed at highlighting that I find it bizarre to say the least that people start filming each other's traffic offenses. This is something I have never seen elsewhere. In France (and a lot of other countries) it's the opposite: people flash their lights to each other to warn that there are speed controls. I prefer this to everyone playing policeman.
Well than, if you prefer the French system go live and work in France. I don't see how the Swiss people will change their way just because you want to break the rules.
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You started this argument, you are the one that is in the wrong, don't try and deflect the blame by pointing fingers at others.


If everyone cycled there would be even less pollution and even less traffic jams. Why don't you try it sometime?

Pragamtism is all well and good, but as I already pointed out, the aggressive tactics of many of the motorised two-wheelers actually makes it more dangerous for the cylists and the pedestrians using that stretch, through no fault of their (our) own.
I did not start an argument, I highlighted something that I saw today and which I found bizarre on my way to the office and I posted it in the category "daily life".

I have tried cycling. But 20km each way is too much for me and I can't park the bike in the office nor take a shower.

By the way, I hope that when you cycle and get towards Jardin Anglais you do not cross the Mont Blanc bridge using the narrow pedestrian walk as this is what 99% of cyclists do to in order to get to the other side.
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Old 29.05.2015, 15:53
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A policeman in Geneva told me once that motorbikes are in fact allowed at snail speed on a cycle lane if the lane is just a line on the street and not built higher or separate. Surely someone can check.
You can even be in the cycling lane at higher speeds.
Not allowed are:
- Endangering cyclist.
- Overtaking at the right.
- Hindering cyclist, except when immediately turning right. On a red light do it only when you are in pole position.

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In France...
I haven't seen the data in recent years, but historically a scooter rider in France has been roughly 10 times as likely to be involved in a fatal accident as a rider in Switzerland. excuse me if I am hesitant to accept French traffic habits as a model for safety or efficiency.

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Well than, if you prefer the French system go live and work in France. I don't see how the Swiss people will change their way just because you want to break the rules.
I don't expect them to change their ways. In any country there are pros and cons.
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My post was initially aimed at highlighting that I find it bizarre to say the least that people start filming each other's traffic offenses. This is something I have never seen elsewhere.
You are on the Internet right? Check youtube for Russian traffic offense videos. Hours and hours of entertainment!!
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Old 29.05.2015, 15:59
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My post was initially aimed at highlighting that I find it bizarre to say the least that people start filming each other's traffic offenses. This is something I have never seen elsewhere. In France (and a lot of other countries) it's the opposite: people flash their lights to each other to warn that there are speed controls. I prefer this to everyone playing policeman.
Dashcams (and helmet cams) are - and have been for a long time - common in many countries ..... the crashing of the meteor in Russia a couple of years, wash shown across the globe, courtesy of a dashcam.

Years ago, I used to be a friendly flasher, when there was police controls ...... but now I see so much crap and incompetent driving across all forms of transportation, I now think "sod 'em - if they're blatantly driving like tossers, let them get caught".

...... and don't forget - scooterists lack the balls to be either a cyclist or a proper biker and are just road-user misfits, suffering from a two-wheel identity crisis.
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I haven't seen the data in recent years, but historically a scooter rider in France has been roughly 10 times as likely to be involved in a fatal accident as a rider in Switzerland. excuse me if I am hesitant to accept French traffic habits as a model for safety or efficiency.

Never thought I would be in the role of defending France, but it is always amusing to see the cars with Swiss numberplates increasing their speed once they pass the border "now we are FREEE..".
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Old 29.05.2015, 16:15
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Years ago, I used to be a friendly flasher..... I now think "sod 'em".
That's just part of the normal ageing process.
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A policeman in Geneva told me once that motorbikes are in fact allowed at snail speed on a cycle lane if the lane is just a line on the street and not built higher or separate. Surely someone can check.
The cycle lane you are talking about is in places complete separate from the road (from the rampe de Vésenaz to Porte Noir) or is raised above the road with a small ramp (Porte Noir to just before the Jardin Anglais) so even if what you were told was true, it doens't apply here. I have seen scooters and motorbikes on both parts, incidentally.

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By the way, I hope that when you cycle and get towards Jardin Anglais you do not cross the Mont Blanc bridge using the narrow pedestrian walk as this is what 99% of cyclists do to in order to get to the other side.
I don't need to cross Mont Blanc thankfully, but for the majority of slower/less confident cyclists I fully understand why they use the normal width pedestrian footpath because it's ****ing scary cycling across Mont Blanc on the main road section except very early in the morning at weekends, especially if you want to then head up Rue du Mont Blanc and therefore need to get across two lanes of heavy traffic.
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Never thought I would be in the role of defending France, but it is always amusing to see the cars with Swiss numberplates increasing their speed once they pass the border "now we are FREEE..".
I suspect the Swiss are more than happy to drive like the French when they are in France, the same as they always seem more than happy to drive like Germans when in Germany. it shouldn't be entirely surprising, then, that they would expect the French and Germans to drive like the Swiss when they are in Switzerland.

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