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Re: License plate stolen

Parking in a private space is a civil matter, which doesn't concern the police. Vandalizing a car and stealing number plates are a criminal matter and the police will have to be involved if you insist.
However, I understand the police' position. Try and resolve this peacefully if at all possible. That would clearly be in everyone's interest.
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Talk about going over the top. Posts like this make me wonder who the crazy guy actually is.
What is over the top about wanting to prosecute someone who vandalised and stole your property?
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Re: License plate stolen

ah this reminds me of a incident i had as a student in cape town.
i had a clearly marked parking space in the apartment block of flats.
one night after a drink or two me and a few friends got back home, to find my parking space occupied by my next door neighbor (you know the type...the one that doesn't greet, but has a sexy 2 door parentals bought for him).

pity for him my friends were marines off duty (think 2m tall and built like greek gods).
it may or may not have been my idea to pick up his car, and carry it outside...and then some...
we left it at an intersection about a k down the road...and placed it right in the middle of the road.
not the brightest idea, but we were young and dumb...and lucky he didnt press charges.
he did come knocking a few hours later wondering where his car is, and politely asked if we saw it while not being intimidated by the sheer size of the guys there...
he did get it back eventually (it was towed apparently) but neither him nor anyone else parked in my spot ever since...

yeah rather funny at the time, but as an adult i wouldn't think of doing it again.
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ah this reminds me of a incident i had as a student in cape town.
i had a clearly marked parking space in the apartment block of flats.
one night after a drink or two me and a few friends got back home, to find my parking space occupied by my next door neighbor (you know the type...the one that doesn't greet, but has a sexy 2 door parentals bought for him).

pity for him my friends were marines off duty (think 2m tall and built like greek gods).
it may or may not have been my idea to pick up his car, and carry it outside...and then some...
we left it at an intersection about a k down the road...and placed it right in the middle of the road.
not the brightest idea, but we were young and dumb...and lucky he didnt press charges.
he did come knocking a few hours later wondering where his car is, and politely asked if we saw it while not being intimidated by the sheer size of the guys there...
he did get it back eventually (it was towed apparently) but neither him nor anyone else parked in my spot ever since...

yeah rather funny at the time, but as an adult i wouldn't think of doing it again.
I'm not sure this actually happened in real life...
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Old 01.06.2015, 18:13
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What is over the top about wanting to prosecute someone who vandalised and stole your property?
I would expect such a question from an 8-year-old, but not from a grownup. But here you go:
Granted, he went over the top. However, no permanent damage was done.

The car wasn't vandalised it was smeared, a bucket of water will do the cleaning job just fine, thank you very much. And the license plate will in all likelyhood be handed back upon ringing up the neighbor. All that based on the (indeed, plausible) assumption it was him in the first place, which has yet to be proven. That makes a police report with the intention of dragging him to court and getting a verdict, an over-the-top reaction - all it would do is block the courts and cost a nice sum of taxpayer money for no real reason at all. Way to use your tax money!

I wish that all those calling now for the police got their own parking lot blocked every Saturday morning for almost two months in a row (or a similarly upsetting and disrupting event, pick your poison). Considering the self-righteousness that shines thru most posts that call for the police I'm certain it would be very enlightening, perhaps very entertaining, to see those reactions.
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I would expect such a question from an 8-year-old, but not from a grownup. But here you go:
Granted, he went over the top. However, no permanent damage was done.

The car wasn't vandalised it was smeared, a bucket of water will do the cleaning job just fine, thank you very much. And the license plate will in all likelyhood be handed back upon ringing up the neighbor. All that based on the (indeed, plausible) assumption it was him in the first place, which has yet to be proven. That makes a police report with the intention of dragging him to court and getting a verdict, an over-the-top reaction - all it would do is block the courts and cost a nice sum of taxpayer money for no real reason at all. Way to use your tax money!

I wish that all those calling now for the police got their own parking lot blocked every Saturday morning for almost two months in a row (or a similarly upsetting and disrupting event, pick your poison). Considering the self-righteousness that shines thru most posts that call for the police I'm certain it would be very enlightening, perhaps very entertaining, to see those reactions.
Did you even read the link I posted about egging cars?

I'm afraid I don't discuss issues with people who feel the need to resort to ad hom
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I wish that all those calling now for the police got their own parking lot blocked every Saturday morning for almost two months in a row (or a similarly upsetting and disrupting event, pick your poison). Considering the self-righteousness that shines thru most posts that call for the police I'm certain it would be very enlightening, perhaps very entertaining, to see those reactions.
You are accusing other posters on here of being 'over the top' for suggesting the police should be involved yet you post a statement like this.
Pot and kettle are the words that sprung to mind here.
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Re: License plate stolen

Apparently in Glasgow they just torch the cars- so perhaps egging is marginally better...
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Old 01.06.2015, 23:55
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Re: License plate stolen

Calling due process of law (Rechtsstaatsprinzip), that is, calling a higher instance is what civilized adults and 8-year-olds alike do.

But slimily and subserviently crawling after a baboon that vandalises your car and steals property, yeah, that's the way to go…
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Did you even read the link I posted about egging cars?

I'm afraid I don't discuss issues with people who feel the need to resort to ad hom
How many scratches and dents did the eggs cause? Where did they hit and, considering that, how long does it take for the acid to cause damage? Why didn't OP mention any damages?
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Calling due process of law (Rechtsstaatsprinzip), that is, calling a higher instance is what civilized adults and 8-year-olds alike do.

But slimily and subserviently crawling after a baboon that vandalises your car and steals property, yeah, that's the way to go…
That's "a bit" presumptuous...Everyone is different.
The way to go is the way one feels they can handle. If you feel like chasing a baboon with the police and losing your time in a court over a petty thing after all, it's your business. I would personally have better things to do with my time and would rather avoid it. But hey to each their own.

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Old 02.06.2015, 07:12
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Prove he did it.

I dare you.

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I would expect such a question from an 8-year-old, but not from a grownup.
Ironically, Urs Max, that was arguably the most childish comment in this thread, though Tom's is thrown in as a contender for the title.
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Re: License plate stolen

The point is still being ignored, as already stated earlier: the plate is official property, and therefore warrants official action.

Back in the UK, this would go down as 'vehicle interference', which in a much younger former incarnation, someone found out, to their expense.

I would hope that a similar offence exists here.
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Way to use your tax money!
Well since tax money is essentially sunk costs, the more you use them the better, regardless of purpose.
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Old 02.06.2015, 08:41
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Re: License plate stolen

The idea that it's not proven that this man did the deadly deed is silly. This isn't a court of law. Balance of probabilities : either the OP has composed a work of fiction or is giving a true account of what happened. I go with the latter.

The fact that what he did was relatively minor and born out of frustration is immaterial in my view. If there is damage to the car, then he's committed an act of vandalism or criminal damage. If there is no damage, then he's caused a nuisance. That he felt provoked to do this is immaterial - we're all obliged to behave in a civilised manner, and taking the law into your own hands isn't civilised.

What I find helpful in these matters is to concentrate on the goals. What can be achieved that will make things better for everyone?

1. He is made aware that his actions are not acceptable
2. He doesn't do it again
3. He accepts responsibility for his actions (making good if necessary)
4. The OP takes more care about parking in future

4. has already been achieved. The rest could be by simply going and talking to him. They might better be achieved by a police visit for a friendly chat about how to best handle such situations in the future. E.g. leaving a note. A court case and prosecution seems over the top.

Sure, the OP shouldn't have parked there and showed a cavalier attitude to parking, but that doesn't justify this man's response, and his actions were far worse. An apology from the OP would also be in order - but not in the sense that it condones what this man did at all. He was not justified in any shape of form to do what he did. That is entirely out of order.
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Re: License plate stolen

Just to put police intervention - and their unwillingness to do so - into perspective.

My daughter - 2nd class (8/9 yrs. old) is friendly with two boys, who are in turn friendly with each other, but one time in the playground the boys were messing around a bit roughly, and one boy 'banged' the other on the nose, causing it to bleed. As far as I know, without malice or intent.

When the 'blooded' boy returned home and told his mother (I think there were tears at school), the mother immediately contacted the police and got them to visit the home of the offending boy, to reprimand.

Not only was this a completely OTT and unnecessary dickheaded response, but the idiot police actually used man-hours to do this, over a small playground incident, that must be repeated many times across the land, every day.

..... and yet here, in a case of potential vandalism and theft, they prefer to stay in the comfort of their station.
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Re: License plate stolen

No doubt, had the OP committed an act of vandalism on somebody's car the contributors on this thread would be insisting that he be placed in the village stocks for the day, and how such actions only serve to give law-abiding furr'ners a bad name.

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What I find helpful in these matters is to concentrate on the goals. What can be achieved that will make things better for everyone?

1. He is made aware that his actions are not acceptable
2. He doesn't do it again
3. He accepts responsibility for his actions (making good if necessary)
4. The OP takes more care about parking in future
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My feeling is that he knows exactly that his actions are not acceptable (illegal) and did everything despite of this. I wouldn't expect from him to be the one to "make it good" either.
And he probably wanted to achieve no.1 in regard to OP...
Waaay too ridiculous to be worth doing so much fuss in my view. You can't fix these types.
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That's "a bit" presumptuous...Everyone is different.
The way to go is the way one feels they can handle. If you feel like chasing a baboon with the police and losing your time in a court over a petty thing after all, it's your business. I would personally have better things to do with my time and would rather avoid it. But hey to each their own.
Petty thing? Let's assume, OP doesn't get the plates back, so he goes to the authority that issues them and asks for a replacement, why? asks the official, because (insert story here), and the police didn't want to intervene, blah, blah...Things can take a turn. But hey you hoped for the best. And despite of that, you would (try to) abide by the law, right?
What also really bothers is having a police officer responding like the OP described. The officer probably knew the OP better wash his car, that the guy won't turn evidence in and deny everything, and getting witnesses would be futile in the end. But maybe, this is what's needed for that guy thinking twice before repeating such an act and, if need be, having a motive to get replacement plates. See what I mean? (Btw, I never mentioned the court but the police).
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