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Old 02.06.2015, 11:49
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Petty thing? Let's assume, OP doesn't get the plates back, so he goes to the authority that issues them and asks for a replacement, why? asks the official, because (insert story here), and the police didn't want to intervene, blah, blah...Things can take a turn. But hey you hoped for the best. And despite of that, you would (try to) abide by the law, right?
What also really bothers is having a police officer responding like the OP described. The officer probably knew the OP better wash his car, that the guy won't turn evidence in and deny everything, and getting witnesses would be futile in the end. But maybe, this is what's needed for that guy thinking twice before repeating such an act and, if need be, having a motive to get replacement plates. See what I mean? (Btw, I never mentioned the court but the police).

Actually to get new plates, you need a police report. When I lost my front one, STVA referred me to the police station. I then filed a report stating that I lost it (had a small accident, plate dropped, didn't realise it until later), with some details (time and place). The police is supposedly doing an investigation or whatever, and after a few days you can go to the STVA and ask for a replacement (20Fr/plate by the way). Without a police report, you cannot go and ask for a plate, or to put it more accurately you can, but nobody will give it to you.

I ordered the plate on the phone I think and I handed in the police report when I went to the STVA to take the plate.
Also you can drive without a plate around until you get a new one, and nobody will tell you something if you have the police report with you and say that you're waiting for the replacement to be ready (takes 2-4 weeks IIRC). Had to give it once on the Geneva border coming from Annecy.

Every other time someone asks you, you can say "lost it yesterday, didn't have time to go to the police yet" but really it's a 10 minute thing. You go to the police, you say you lost them or whatever, they come outside, see the plate missing and then they give you the report 10 minutes later.
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Re: License plate stolen

There is a Venn diagram somewhere which deals with the groan-fests that are "licene plate stolen" and "smoking on station platforms"
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Old 02.06.2015, 11:53
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Petty thing? Let's assume, OP doesn't get the plates back, so he goes to the authority that issues them and asks for a replacement, why? asks the official, because (insert story here), and the police didn't want to intervene, blah, blah...Things can take a turn. But hey you hoped for the best. And despite of that, you would (try to) abide by the law, right?
What also really bothers is having a police officer responding like the OP described. The officer probably knew the OP better wash his car, that the guy won't turn evidence in and deny everything, and getting witnesses would be futile in the end. But maybe, this is what's needed for that guy thinking twice before repeating such an act and, if need be, having a motive to get replacement plates. See what I mean? (Btw, I never mentioned the court but the police).
Actually, to get new plates you will need a copy of the police report, and they will give you a new number, not a restamping of the old. The old number will be blocked for 7 years.

BTDT.

Lost a plate somewhere on the Autostrada in Italy, made a report to the Carabinieri in the town I was staying the next morning, day later went to Camorino (after informing the insurance, as you will also need to have the insurance transfered to the new plate), and got my new number.

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Old 02.06.2015, 12:13
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The rules for obtaining replacement plates are, like most things here, dependent on the Canton. The OP is in Lucern, and I guess the car is registered there, so these rules apply: (ger) https://strassenverkehrsamt.lu.ch/St...hilder/verlust
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I would expect such a question from an 8-year-old, but not from a grownup. But here you go:
Granted, he went over the top. However, no permanent damage was done.

The car wasn't vandalised it was smeared, a bucket of water will do the cleaning job just fine, thank you very much. And the license plate will in all likelyhood be handed back upon ringing up the neighbor. All that based on the (indeed, plausible) assumption it was him in the first place, which has yet to be proven. That makes a police report with the intention of dragging him to court and getting a verdict, an over-the-top reaction - all it would do is block the courts and cost a nice sum of taxpayer money for no real reason at all. Way to use your tax money!

I wish that all those calling now for the police got their own parking lot blocked every Saturday morning for almost two months in a row (or a similarly upsetting and disrupting event, pick your poison). Considering the self-righteousness that shines thru most posts that call for the police I'm certain it would be very enlightening, perhaps very entertaining, to see those reactions.
The damage was temporary, but damage nonetheless, whether permanent or otherwise, hence, it's called "damage". In the UK, which still has something of a reputable legal system, this would get you locked up for just that single action. I know, I've had the dis/pleasure of having to arrest kids for doing such things in a previous life. As petty as it may seem, it's still caused damage that has to be cleaned up by someone. As someone else has stated, taking the licence plate would also have you being reminded you're under caution and now also arrested for theft and interference of a motor vehicle.

Whilst I appreciate that we're in CH, not the UK, I'm fairly confident that there exists similar laws here. In a modern society you can't simply help yourself to taking property of someone else's regardless of how frustrated you are.

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Old 02.06.2015, 14:45
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Actually, to get new plates you will need a copy of the police report, and they will give you a new number, not a restamping of the old. The old number will be blocked for 7 years.

BTDT.

Lost a plate somewhere on the Autostrada in Italy, made a report to the Carabinieri in the town I was staying the next morning, day later went to Camorino (after informing the insurance, as you will also need to have the insurance transfered to the new plate), and got my new number.

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In Canton ZH for my lost plate, I got exactly the same number and only the small front replacement, not a new set of numbers. I don't know what happens if you actually get your set stolen and if there is a different process.
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Old 02.06.2015, 14:57
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Re: License plate stolen

The law linked to earlier (post #84) states that you need to get a new number if both plates are lost, or it only has one plate, as was my case (motorcycle), so for only one lost on a vehicle with two plates, you can get a new plate with the old number.

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Re: License plate stolen

I am reminded of an old Rucola ad campaign...

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yes you really have no clue how is the feeling when you come back home from hard day at the end of day , driving from driving in traffic jam to another , and once you arrived home , you find someone like you in his place !!

Drive license in this country it is not just about how you can move and stop your car , but it is also about where you are allowed to park or not , if i am the police man i will take it away from you as by parking in the wrong place , you proved you are not able to drive correctly in this country
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Old 02.06.2015, 15:19
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Re: License plate stolen

In the meantime, the OP is probably wishing they'd kept quiet and feeling the egging from the crazy guy was pretty tame stuff .

I hope they managed to work it out, without apologising more than a polite bare minimum because two wrongs don't make a right and encouraging OTT behaviour isn't a good idea, and would be surprised if they come anywhere near this thread again so we'll never know.
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Nobody, but nobody has said that the guy was not totally wrong and a total ****- but simply that calling the police int he first instance is not the best way forwards. That's all - nobody is justifying his actions. Could be others took his space just too many times recently (the place he pays good money for)- perhaps he did leacve messages on some of the cars- which (as happened with our car parking space in the UK- were just torn up and thrown on the ground) - and that day, other factors in his life were not going his way, and he just saw red- and acted, totally wrongly, like an ****.

But from the sublime to the ridiculous- is what some of us are saying. Accept some of the blame and that you shouldn't have parked there and won't do in future- but also tell him in no uncertain terms that that was OTT and really stupid! That you could have involved the police but chose not to...

The OP still hasnt come back- and yet s/he must know what happened next. I am hoping.... that the guy returned and replaced the plate on the car- admitted he was OTT and helped clean the car. That would be nice.... hey!

And quite possible too. But it would be nice of the OP to come back and tell us what happened, really. Did the guy come back and at least put the plates back?

Time and time again some people on EF complain about Swiss neighbours going OTT about complaints- and I am sure if it was the other way round- someone on EF would say he only saw red and only wanted to teach the person a lesson- and returned the plates later and wanted to apologise and help clean the car- only to find that that ***** Swiss had called the cops and made an official complaint- trust THE SWISS, and all that. It is laughable, really. BTW there is no evidence so far that the guy is Swiss, is there?
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.... I am hoping.... that the guy returned and replaced the plate on the car- admitted he was OTT and helped clean the car. ...
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aaaahhhh lovely - why not?
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Old 02.06.2015, 16:42
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Time and time again some people on EF complain about Swiss neighbours going OTT about complaints- and I am sure if it was the other way round- someone on EF would say he only saw red and only wanted to teach the person a lesson- and returned the plates later and wanted to apologise and help clean the car- only to find that that ***** Swiss had called the cops and made an official complaint- trust THE SWISS, and all that. It is laughable, really. BTW there is no evidence so far that the guy is Swiss, is there?
Have to agree with you, really.
Heeh...had he been one of "our" friends....of course he must have been just very angry and fed up with this lack of respect for private parking spots!! How totally OTT to go directly to police instead of trying to fix the matter face to face. Change of perspective depending on who did what.....very common in some circles.
Btw, OP should really come back and tell us the end of the story. Otherwise, I'm starting to believe it was fabricated...
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Have to agree with you, really.
Heeh...had he been one of "our" friends....of course he must have been just very angry and fed up with this lack of respect for private parking spots!! How totally OTT to go directly to police instead of trying to fix the matter face to face. Change of perspective depending on who did what.....very common in some circles.
Btw, OP should really come back and tell us the end of the story. Otherwise, I'm starting to believe it was fabricated...
Didn't we have a thread on "some bar steward parked in my private space - what should I do?"fairly recently? With someone suggesting smearing dog poop on the door handles.

Could this be the other side of the story?
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Old 02.06.2015, 17:16
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Nobody, but nobody has said that the guy was not totally wrong and a total ****- but simply that calling the police int he first instance is not the best way forwards. That's all - nobody is justifying his actions. Could be others took his space just too many times recently (the place he pays good money for)- perhaps he did leacve messages on some of the cars- which (as happened with our car parking space in the UK- were just torn up and thrown on the ground) - and that day, other factors in his life were not going his way, and he just saw red- and acted, totally wrongly, like an ****.

But from the sublime to the ridiculous- is what some of us are saying. Accept some of the blame and that you shouldn't have parked there and won't do in future- but also tell him in no uncertain terms that that was OTT and really stupid! That you could have involved the police but chose not to...

The OP still hasnt come back- and yet s/he must know what happened next. I am hoping.... that the guy returned and replaced the plate on the car- admitted he was OTT and helped clean the car. That would be nice.... hey!

And quite possible too. But it would be nice of the OP to come back and tell us what happened, really. Did the guy come back and at least put the plates back?

Time and time again some people on EF complain about Swiss neighbours going OTT about complaints- and I am sure if it was the other way round- someone on EF would say he only saw red and only wanted to teach the person a lesson- and returned the plates later and wanted to apologise and help clean the car- only to find that that ***** Swiss had called the cops and made an official complaint- trust THE SWISS, and all that. It is laughable, really. BTW there is no evidence so far that the guy is Swiss, is there?
Jeeeesus bleeding christ ...... how many more times.

This became a police matter, as soon as official property (number plate)'was tampered with and 'stolen'. They are shirking their responsibilities.

It is the same as if a letter was taken from your letter box ..... it's not theft from you, or theft from your property, but theft from an official department (Die Post).


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Jeeeesus bleeding christ ...... how many more times.

This became a police matter, as soon as official property (number plate)'was tampered with and 'stolen'. They are shirking their responsibilities.

It is the same as if a letter was taken from your letter box ..... it's not theft from you, or theft from your property, but theft from an official department (Die Post).


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As mentioned before - if the plate was posted back to the STVA it'll be hard to prove it was stolen and not "lost" and then a kindly person sent it back.

Considering (as mentioned already) how hard EF users come down on people who park in their private spaces should we have any sympathy here? Or should we continue the time honoured tradition of internet forums and have extraordinary double standards?
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The law linked to earlier (post #84) states that you need to get a new number if both plates are lost, or it only has one plate, as was my case (motorcycle), so for only one lost on a vehicle with two plates, you can get a new plate with the old number.

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Not, for example, in Zurich.

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but simply that calling the police int he first instance is not the best way forwards.
It's criminal damage including the theft of official property. And culturally in Switzerland it's absolutely the wrong thing to do to confront an angry person face to face - it's seen as escalation and highly aggressive. The right thing to do is go straight to the police and insist they act.

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How totally OTT to go directly to police instead of trying to fix the matter face to face.
It wasn't an accident - it was genuine theft of an official item with malice aforethought. What is it about this situation that you're unable to understand? The action was sustained too with a number of different actions that caused damage. And you try and get crayon off glass - it isn't just a matter of soap and water, wax is waterproof.
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OP, maybe next time you should park this in his space?


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Lordy, are we still here after 5 pages? May as well throw in my 2 Rappen.

I'll stick my neck out and say I disagree with contacting the crazy old man directly...unless there's actual proof as opposed to hearsay. This opinion is based on my own experience.

Slight OT to explain:
When we bought our new car, we still had the old one and needed to sell it. We received permission from the Hauswart to park on the visitor parking for a short time. After a few weeks, the management called and told us they'd received a complaint and we needed to move the car. The manager did not say who complained.

A certain person in the building was known for being a complainer, so we assumed it was him/her. However we decided not to escalate things or bring that person a gift and apologize, because we didn't know for sure who had complained. We just moved the car to parking elsewhere.

We later learned that the complainer had not been the one to contact the management. It was someone else in the building, whom we thought we were friends with! We would have looked like total fools to apologize to the wrong person, and probably he/she would have been completely insulted by the attempt. We still don't know why our "friend" didn't come to us directly, but this seems to be how things work in Switzerland.

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As others have said, there's also the matter of stolen official property. Forget the vandalism for a minute. OP needs to sort out the license plates, whether that's getting a totally new number or a replacement. It sounds like he needs a police report to do that. If the police are being uncooperative, I'd start at the Strassenverkehrsamt and report the plates stolen. If they want a police report, ask them to please put that requirement in writing so you can take it to the police and get them to do their job. The vandalism can be included in the report.
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It wasn't an accident - it was genuine theft of an official item with malice aforethought. What is it about this situation that you're unable to understand? The action was sustained too with a number of different actions that caused damage. And you try and get crayon off glass - it isn't just a matter of soap and water, wax is waterproof.
I was talking about the difference in perspective if it was the other way round and with different characters - e.g. one of your friends being fed up with illegal parking on his private spot and getting OTT one day.
Sorry if you didn't understand, but I for one never said that this guy didn't do anything wrong. It's just the way one reacts to such things - trying to de-escalate or not - that I objected.
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Didn't we have a thread on "some bar steward parked in my private space - what should I do?"fairly recently? With someone suggesting smearing dog poop on the door handles.

Could this be the other side of the story?
Haha, q.e.d. Thanks dodgyken, actually I didn't read that thread (alas, thankfully I don't have the time nor the psychological stamina to read everything here) but it's typical..

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