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Here is the story:
Every Saturday I visit a friend for a couple of hours (I live in Luzern, she lives in a village close to Luzern). Every time (six or seven times until now), I parked my car for the duration of my visit on someone else's private parking spot. Unfortunately, I thought it was a parking spot for visitors (genuine misunderstanding, probably my friend did not explain to me properly). The parking spot did not have a clear marking (there were three spots, marked 1,2,3, only 3 had a sign saying "Privat", I always parked on number 2, just for the convenience of opening the door to take my baby out of the car).
So today, after the play-date, I left, only to find the back license plate missing (the front one is still there), two eggs thrown on my car, and the word "Privat" written with crayons on my front windshield!
The neighbours that happened to witness my initial reaction (a lady living in the same building and two young kids) said that their neighbour Mr. XX did it, because he was very angry, adding that "er spinnt" (he is crazy). The problem is that this Mr. XX had already left.
I immediately called the police, and according to their advice, I went to the police station to explain the situation. There, the "investigator" explained to me that she would rather that I try to settle the issue directly with the guy who took my number plates. The reason is that otherwise, if I decide to sue (right word?), there will be a lot of work for her (which I understand). I explained to her that the people in the neighbourhood said it was Mr. XX who took the plate. But obviously, I am not a detective, I did not think of writing down the names of these "witnesses".
So, right now, I am waiting for my friend to inform me when her neighbour returns, so that I can go back in person to ask for my plates. Obviously, if he does not return until this evening, I will have to go back to the police to finalise the issue.
Any helpful ideas on how I should handle the situation? The police officer seemed to indicate that it would be nice if I could get the names/phone numbers of the persons who witnessed the removal of the license plates. But, even though I know where they live, I feel uncomfortable knocking on their doors and asking them for their personal information to give it to the police!
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Old 30.05.2015, 17:45
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Re: License plate stolen

It's not to you to do the police's job. Fill a complain and let them do what they are paid for.

If the guy is ready to trash your car without a proper warning, I won't even try to talk to him, who knows what he's gonna do!
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Re: License plate stolen

Pretty much say what you have said here, apologise for parking in his space and explain that it was a mis-understanding and that you will not do it again.

What he did was more than a little on the extreme side and simple note saying please do not park in my place again would have been better, I would try not to let the situation escalate, just apologise (and I suspect prepare to be shouted at!) but retain the moral hugh ground by not stooping to his level.
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Re: License plate stolen

It sounds a complicated story.
If you had presented in the following manner, the police would have had to react.

1) Your registration plate was stolen
2) Your car was, at the same time, marked with grafitti
3) Neighbour Y has informed you that Mr. XX did it.
4) You want to press charges against Mr. XX

Several years ago, my rear registration plate was stolen. It was almost certainly random and youthful drunks. I called the police and they told me the following:
1) Since only one plate is missing, there is no obligation to file a charge.
2) I should simply order a new one from the local vehicle licensing authority.
3) I should make up a temporary number plate to display in the rear window of the car until I receive the replacement.

For me, I did that and it was the end of the matter. It cost about CHF 70.- as far as I remember for the new plate.


Well, you have a few options:

1) Approaching Mr. XX and asking for the license plate back would probably be the best.
2) Order a new plate at your own expense.
3) File a complaint against Mr. XX and give the name of the witness, neighbour Y.
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Re: License plate stolen

A question: does that parking space belong to this man?

If yes, I agree with Markarina's suggestion. Perhaps you could also rope your friend into joining you to apologise- gives your apology a little bit more of validity.

As for his extreme reaction, you mentioned that you had parked there 6/7 times before- it could be that this 7th/8th time might be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.


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Pretty much say what you have said here, apologise for parking in his space and explain that it was a mis-understanding and that you will not do it again.

What he did was more than a little on the extreme side and simple note saying please do not park in my place again would have been better, I would try not to let the situation escalate, just apologise (and I suspect prepare to be shouted at!) but retain the moral hugh ground by not stooping to his level.
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Re: License plate stolen

Thanks everyone for your opinions!

The person who removed my license plate is not currently at home (my friend, who is his next-door neighbour, is watching for his eventual return).

My plan is to wait until tonight and go talk to him. It was a genuine mistake on my side, so my conscience is clear . And since my friend lives next door, I am not really afraid of him being violent or anything like that.

By the way, here is a picture of the parking spot on which I was parked while visiting my friend.

http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/MR...wendd.jpg.html

There is no sign, and I was led to believe (miscommunication with my friend, probably) that this place was for visitors! If you notice, there a sign in front of the black car at the right (half-hidden). There was no such sign where I parked! Oh well, lesson learnt. Trust noone, double-check everything.

Of course, if he does not return until tonight, I am heading back to the police department to have this issue settled.

On a side-note, I now regret not having signed up for the Rechtschutzversicherung, as I had been planning for a long time! I am not going to get this settled as soon as possible.
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Old 30.05.2015, 19:53
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Pretty much say what you have said here, apologise for parking in his space and explain that it was a mis-understanding and that you will not do it again.

What he did was more than a little on the extreme side and simple note saying please do not park in my place again would have been better, I would try not to let the situation escalate, just apologise (and I suspect prepare to be shouted at!) but retain the moral hugh ground by not stooping to his level.
You're kidding, right? Someone tows my car because I parked on his spot, I'll pay the fees and apologize; someone starts egging and so forth is going to get the scare of his life if I see him do it, and I'd be raising hell at the police station.
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(and I suspect prepare to be shouted at!).
Huh? Why would you prepare to be shouted at? I prepare myself to knock the perp flat on their arse for damaging my car and stealing the number plates.

If the OP has been warned multiple times for the same thing, then fair enough, but from what it reads above, this is the first time she's been on the receiving end.

Leaving an arsey note on the windscreen - Ok, fair do's.
Crayoning on the car - Just blatant criminal damage.
Removing the number plate - Straight up theft.
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Re: License plate stolen

Why do these stories always remind me of things that happened to me.

A number of years ago I had a UK-registered car while living (for less than 6 months) in Switzerland.

The border police told me I was missing a front number plate. Not stolen, UK number plates, if not screwed on, are glued on with double-sided sticky tape. This one fell off. In France. (Which reminds me of another story about another car belonging to my daughter where the clutch gave out in Lugrin and I was lucky not to have to stop for any traffic light or even the customs police -- util I got to the VW dealer in Vouvry and they told me it would cost more to fix it than the car was worth so I gave it to them...)

Had to replace it with a cardboard homemade one. Back in the UK went to buy a replacement: a big deal, they wanted proof of this and that. Hey, back in the day when I had a 270 D xxx (diplomatic) UK license plate it was easy. But that was then and this is now. I imagine in Switzerland one would open a felony burglary case. But what do I know.

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Re: License plate stolen

Well, even if I wanted to apologize in person in the humblest way possible and beg him to get my plates back, it would seem it is impossible. The person who removed my plates has not returned to his home yet, so I have no way to contact him.

I will go to the police station once my baby has fallen asleep to file an "Anzeige" for theft and vandalism and get the required "Polizeirapport".
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Thanks everyone for your opinions!

The person who removed my license plate is not currently at home (my friend, who is his next-door neighbour, is watching for his eventual return).

My plan is to wait until tonight and go talk to him. It was a genuine mistake on my side, so my conscience is clear . And since my friend lives next door, I am not really afraid of him being violent or anything like that.

By the way, here is a picture of the parking spot on which I was parked while visiting my friend.

http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/MR...wendd.jpg.html

There is no sign, and I was led to believe (miscommunication with my friend, probably) that this place was for visitors! If you notice, there a sign in front of the black car at the right (half-hidden). There was no such sign where I parked! Oh well, lesson learnt. Trust noone, double-check everything.

Of course, if he does not return until tonight, I am heading back to the police department to have this issue settled.

On a side-note, I now regret not having signed up for the Rechtschutzversicherung, as I had been planning for a long time! I am not going to get this settled as soon as possible.
How long have you been here in CH? All yellow lined parking spots are private. Some white ones are for visitors. Take note of that especially when entering a private area (ie. an appartment parking lot).
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...All yellow lined parking spots are private. Some white ones are for visitors. Take note of that especially when entering a private area (ie. an appartment parking lot).
I know that yellow lined parking spots are private. I parked there because I was led to believe that the parking spot was private (as in, belonging to the building), but reserved for visitors. As I said, it was a misunderstanding between me and my friend (who lives in the building).

On the other hand, my outdoor parking spot (which I am renting) is just marked with white color. So it seems that this color code is a bit ambiguous
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Well, even if I wanted to apologize in person in the humblest way possible and beg him to get my plates back, it would seem it is impossible. The person who removed my plates has not returned to his home yet, so I have no way to contact him.

I will go to the police station once my baby has fallen asleep to file an "Anzeige" for theft and vandalism and get the required "Polizeirapport".
By your own admission, you have stated that you have regularly parked in a private parking place - the fact you 'thought' it was for visitors (without any evidence to this effect or checking) is irrelevant. The guy was totally wrong for taking your plate and egging the car- but as you also were in the wrong, he could reatliate with an official complaint. Your main problem is that if your friend lives there, and you visit regularly- going to the cops and making an official complaint will make the matter much worse in the future. So I agree with Makarina that trying to find a private solution would be best long term.

We have a flat with a private parking place in the UK, which we had to pay good money for, so finding it squatted again and again, especially by the same car, really really grates (especially when you arrive home late after a long journey- and have to go and park in the public paying car-park half a km away and walk over with luggage... now I would never egg a car or steal plates... but it is infuriating, especially if you have a very bad knee). The guy probably pays quite a bit extra on his rent for that space. How would you feel if you were paying quite a bit of extra rent for the space- to find is used by another car, especillay if this is a regular occurence?

Unless- it is a non allocated space that he has got used to using and thinks he has rights over without paying for it- in which case it is very different. Surely you should find out from the caretaker of the building what the facts are before going to the police.

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MarKanLu, I asked this question earlier and am asking again: does the parking space belong to this guy?
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Huh? Why would you prepare to be shouted at? I prepare myself to knock the perp flat on their arse for damaging my car and stealing the number plates.

If the OP has been warned multiple times for the same thing, then fair enough, but from what it reads above, this is the first time she's been on the receiving end.

Leaving an arsey note on the windscreen - Ok, fair do's.
Crayoning on the car - Just blatant criminal damage.
Removing the number plate - Straight up theft.
Because the OP said in their original post that the suspected perp was known for being crazy and the last thing I would expect is for them to be calm and quiet
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Here is the story:
Every Saturday I visit a friend for a couple of hours (I live in Luzern, she lives in a village close to Luzern). Every time (six or seven times until now), I parked my car for the duration of my visit on someone else's private parking spot. Unfortunately, I thought it was a parking spot for visitors (genuine misunderstanding, probably my friend did not explain to me properly). The parking spot did not have a clear marking (there were three spots, marked 1,2,3, only 3 had a sign saying "Privat", I always parked on number 2, just for the convenience of opening the door to take my baby out of the car).
So today, after the play-date, I left, only to find the back license plate missing (the front one is still there), two eggs thrown on my car, and the word "Privat" written with crayons on my front windshield!
The neighbours that happened to witness my initial reaction (a lady living in the same building and two young kids) said that their neighbour Mr. XX did it, because he was very angry, adding that "er spinnt" (he is crazy). The problem is that this Mr. XX had already left.
I immediately called the police, and according to their advice, I went to the police station to explain the situation. There, the "investigator" explained to me that she would rather that I try to settle the issue directly with the guy who took my number plates. The reason is that otherwise, if I decide to sue (right word?), there will be a lot of work for her (which I understand). I explained to her that the people in the neighbourhood said it was Mr. XX who took the plate. But obviously, I am not a detective, I did not think of writing down the names of these "witnesses".
So, right now, I am waiting for my friend to inform me when her neighbour returns, so that I can go back in person to ask for my plates. Obviously, if he does not return until this evening, I will have to go back to the police to finalise the issue.
Any helpful ideas on how I should handle the situation? The police officer seemed to indicate that it would be nice if I could get the names/phone numbers of the persons who witnessed the removal of the license plates. But, even though I know where they live, I feel uncomfortable knocking on their doors and asking them for their personal information to give it to the police!
Go to him with your friend, with a gift and sincere apology&explanation for your misunderstanding. He might be only a grumpy old man.
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Re: License plate stolen

Hear say does not mean it is true. Take a friend with you, apologize and ask for the number plate.
If you are worried about reprisals, it is fairly easy in Switzerland to get the address of the car owner if you know (have) a number plate.

Someone once parked on my rented parking space. I left a note telling him that this was a private space. Next morning that person had left an apology in writing and a nice bottle of wine

I do not condone eggs or stealing but try to get it solved first with a sincere apology?
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Hear say does not mean it is true. Take a friend with you, apologize and ask for the number plate.
If you are worried about reprisals, it is fairly easy in Switzerland to get the address of the car owner if you know (have) a number plate.

Someone once parked on my rented parking space. I left a note telling him that this was a private space. Next morning that person had left an apology in writing and a nice bottle of wine

I do not condone eggs or stealing but try to get it solved first with a sincere apology?
Ha ha, we posted basically the same thing at the same moment. Funny. I agree!
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Re: License plate stolen

Vuachere, sorry, I thought I had made it clear. Yes, it was his parking place (as I found out after today's adventure).

Odile, sorry, I thought I had made it clear in my previous posts: My friend (whom I was visiting every Saturday for play-dates and who lives in the same building) had led me to believe that these places were available for visitors (so I just relied on what she told me, assuming that she would know the rules for her building)!

In any case, the guy obviously is not very fond of amicable solutions, since he has disappeared without leaving his phone number or any other means of communication. He stole my plates around 13.30 and, eight hours later, still no sign from him (friend is waiting).

The sad thing is that there plenty of other parking places around (it is a village after all), so the whole story is probably a huge waste of time (my time, police time and so on).

Two side-notes, for anyone happening to be reading this:
1. Invest in Rechtschutzversicherung! Better be over-insured, just for peace of mind.
2. Invest in learning the language. I was so happy to breeze through my first visit to the police (after which I agreed to wait a bit more for the guy's return). Speaking the local language (in my case German) is extremely when dealing with the authorities under stress!
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Re: License plate stolen

Or.... make sure you know that you park where it is allowed and you won´t have this hassle.

You mention that there are plenty of parking spaces so why not use these?

Somehow I get the impression that you feel someone has done you wrong whereby the initial fault - repeatedly - was yours.
Again, not condoning eggs and stealing but some thoughts on how to solve this amicably might be good?

PS: what´s wrong with someone going off on a Saturday and not be back by now??????
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