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Greenmount - just because most beggars and street con-artists here (and in the U.K.) happen to be from Romania does not mean that most Romanians are beggars and street con-artists.

I think you're being a bit unfair to your fellow countrymen to keep banging on about it.

Almost all the IRA were Irish but when someone mentions that, no one starts jumping around saying that not all Irish were blowing people up.

We're adults here. We can disconnect the two.
First of all I would really argue the first one. Switzerland is not UK, with all due respect and there are a lot of other countries with "problems" whose citizens can freely come anytime they want. I'm afraid you're just prejudiced.

About the last one, again with all due respect, I started to really doubt it. Too many unsavoury and unnecessary comments.
Sorry, but I don't have to accept that some sort of racism is acceptable and other sorts are not.
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Old 03.06.2015, 12:33
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First of all I would really argue the first one. Switzerland is not UK, with all due respect and there are a lot of other countries with "problems" whose citizens can freely come anytime they want. I'm afraid you're just prejudiced.
Why the hell should I be prejudiced? - I've got absolutely nothing against Romanians. I've been to Romania many times both for business and pleasure and have met many lovely people.

Perhaps you ought to stop being a spokesman on here for the Romanian people. You're making a bloody awful job of it.
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Old 03.06.2015, 12:36
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Why the hell should I be prejudiced? - I've got absolutely nothing against Romanians. I've been to Romania many times both for business and pleasure and have met many lovely people.

Perhaps you ought to stop being a spokesman on here for the Romanian people. You're making a bloody awful job of it.

We don't even know if the person is really a Romanian.

Not everybody with a "certain" complexion comes from Romania and not everybody who begs or panhandles is a Roma.
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We don't even know if the person is really a Romanian.
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I never wrote that they were.

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Not everybody with a "certain" complexion comes from Romania and not everybody who begs or panhandles is a Roma.
No but many are Romanian. That's hardly Romania's fault though is it? The Russians pretty much f**ked up the country and most of the rest of Eastern Europe.
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Greenmount, thanks not only for the groan but also for the red blobbies (the first ones in my EF career) including the comment: "Your point being that you know without checking? Hmm.."

I appreciate your patriotism, but what do I have to assume when many of those laminated confirmation letters include a scan of something that looks like an identity card issued by Romania? So far I've seen about seven of those just in our little area.

Besides that, I happen to have four relatives / friends that are police officers in either St. Gallen or the Grisons. They all say that those folks come to Switzerland as tourists, equipped with valid Romanian ID documents. They work in groups of four to five individuals while roaming malls, train stations or neighborhoods. They always approach people alone, then gather to get picked up by a bus to leave the country after a few hours.

The police has a hard time proving any kind of offence without arresting them and launching a long legal procedure that is not worth the effort compared to the petty offence.

One of those police guys told me that the only way to handle them is to frisk them, "accidentally" drop their mobile and equally "accidentally" step on it before releasing them to board the bus. They'll be back in few days with a new phone, though.

By the way, I never meant to say the old man mentioned by the OP actually was one of them. I made that remark in jest because the OP wrote, "He wanted to say something."
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Greenmount, thanks not only for the groan but also for the red blobbies (the first ones in my EF career) including the comment: "Your point being that you know without checking? Hmm.."

I appreciate your patriotism, but what do I have to assume when many of those laminated confirmation letters include a scan of something that looks like an identity card issued by Romania? So far I've seen about seven of those just in our little area.

Besides that, I happen to have four relatives / friends that are police officers in either St. Gallen or the Grisons. They all say that those folks come to Switzerland as tourists, equipped with valid Romanian ID documents. They work in groups of four to five individuals while roaming malls, train stations or neighborhoods. They always approach people alone, then gather to get picked up by a bus to leave the country after a few hours.

The police has a hard time proving any kind of offence without arresting them and launching a long legal procedure that is not worth the effort compared to the petty offence.

One of those police guys told me that the only way to handle them is to frisk them, "accidentally" drop their mobile and equally "accidentally" step on it before releasing them to board the bus. They'll be back in few days with a new phone, though.

By the way, I never meant to say the old man mentioned by the OP actually was one of them. I made that remark in jest because the OP wrote, "He wanted to say something."
OK, a few con artists gangs operate even here, probably on their way back and forth to Italy. You indirectly confirmed it: it doesn't bear any resemblance to the case in the OP, yet you didn't miss doing that comment.
If it wouldn't be highly amusing, I'd be saddened. But I'm not, believe me I'm not. I know it always have to be someone: the Irish, the Italians, the Portuguese etc etc. It's our turn now. We're fair game.
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Old 03.06.2015, 14:28
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By the way, I never meant to say the old man mentioned by the OP actually was one of them. I made that remark in jest because the OP wrote, "He wanted to say something."
So what you're really saying is, that not only are all Romanians thieves and beggars, but they also have no sense of humour, too - that's harsh

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So what you're really saying is, that not only are all Romanians thieves and beggars, but they also have no sense of humour, too - that's harsh
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Oh no, believe me I'm amused! Not in the way you'd expect, though.
I'm amused because people make unsavoury remarks and then pretend they made a joke, or....or something.
Believe me, British humour is highly overrated.

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Old 03.06.2015, 14:35
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If it wouldn't be highly amusing, I'd be saddened. But I'm not, believe me I'm not. I know it always have to be someone: the Irish, the Italians, the Portuguese etc etc. It's our turn now. We're fair game.
It could be worse - you could be a Somalian Pirate selling that magazine outside Co-op.

He's not a very good pirate though, he's lost his parrot.
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It could be worse - you could be a Somalian Pirate selling that magazine outside Co-op.

He's not a very good pirate though, he's lost his parrot.
Are all Somalians pirates, then?
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It could be worse - you could be a Somalian Pirate selling that magazine outside Co-op.

He's not a very good pirate though, he's lost his parrot.
Does he at least have a wooden leg and a keg of rum?

I'm afraid piracy isn't what it used to be.
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Are all Somalians pirates, then?
No but mentioning that a single particular Somalian is a pirate (even if he actually is one) is a racist comment and a slight on all Somalians.
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Not everybody with a "certain" complexion comes from Romania
Indeed.

My step-son's girlfriend is from Romania, has fair complexion and hair, and blue eyes.

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It could be worse - you could be a Somalian Pirate selling that magazine outside Co-op.

He's not a very good pirate though, he's lost his parrot.
Sorry for the loss, though perhaps he's just sleeping?



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Greenmount, thanks not only for the groan but also for the red blobbies
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Are all Somalians pirates, then?
Not sure their internet is fast enough for uTorrent to work well.
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And no, I have no sympathy either. I have, however, sympathy for the locals who are in difficulty.
I hear you, but I have yet to be approached by a beggar in either English, German, Swiss German or Luxembourgish.

P.S. the way to tell the locals in Luxembourg city is that they are the ones who leave their change cup on the sidewalk while they walk down the street to buy a cappuccino. remarkably, people still stop to drop change into the cup.
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I hear you, but I have yet to be approached by a beggar in either English, German, Swiss German or Luxembourgish.

P.S. the way to tell the locals in Luxembourg city is that they are the ones who leave their change cup on the sidewalk while they walk down the street to buy a cappuccino. remarkably, people still stop to drop change into the cup.
yes but in lausanne they do this as well, and i mean the roma. unfortunately, there are an awful lot of beggars here in lausanne who are roma. most of them are actually quite nice and i try to help them a bit when we are giving away clothing, food etc. but there are always those who push it too far and have been robbing local and small businesses in my neighborhood, which has created a pretty negative view of them whereas before they were politely tolerated.

anyway, back on topic. there is always someone outside of globus asking for money- using a few people. sometimes it is a quite well dressed young girl, sometimes an old man, sometimes someone else. either way, there are very many places in lausanne to get a warm meal, clothing, shelter so i hesitate to worry too much as if you are begging for money here, it certainly isn't to be used on the necessities.

but roma and romanians are different, so i wouldn't get too worried about people confusing the two. and if they do, welcome to the club of dealing with crappy comments about your country and the people in it

anyway there was a great exhibit here in lausanne about the roma by a friend

http://www.esf.ch/leresche/

https://vimeo.com/123139406
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I hear you, but I have yet to be approached by a beggar in either English, German, Swiss German or Luxembourgish.

P.S. the way to tell the locals in Luxembourg city is that they are the ones who leave their change cup on the sidewalk while they walk down the street to buy a cappuccino. remarkably, people still stop to drop change into the cup.

I have less problems with beggars than thieves and robbers. Beggars, you can choose to walk by, or give to as you see fit.. But I've heard from a friend in Paris that beggars have been found to kidnap dogs, cats and maybe even chldren as props, to gain more sympathy for donations.

I've seen a gang of about 7-8 girls marauding the metro, grabbing a purse belonging to my sister, and handing it off to some guy on their team nearby. Also had an attempt on my wallet.

Care to guess what nationality? Nevermind, no need. But I assumed this is a matter of survival for them.
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Care to guess what nationality? Nevermind, no need. But I assumed this is a matter of survival for them.
Possibly but the money isn't going to them - it's going to the gang leaders who have very large houses on the outskirts of many Romanian towns.

Possibly a better way of supporting the Roma community would be to give to a registered charity supporting them.
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