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I am so sad at how the discussion evolved.

Shifting the discussion back to man I saw, what concerned me was his evident age and choice of attire- both of which seemed to suggest that he may have fallen on hard times and didn't even know how to ask for money. I was hoping that someone may have seen him and may know more of him. At places where I used to be before (university towns), we used to know the stories behind most on the street who had fallen on hard times. This also meant that we could give targetted help. For example, there was a lady who never accepted money. But she fed pigeons and accepted bird feed! What she enjoyed most was just having someone to talk to.

There are others I notice in Lausanne centre- a couple who play beautifully, a man with a guitar who sings English pop songs (and might be English) (always makes me cry), and a man with a violin and who speaks English (although I haven't seen him for a long time).

I am off to town soon, so I intend to see if he is still there. But are there provisions for such people? Shelters? Other assistance? (and, as they say in the UK, any access to "benefits"?).
Yes, it's sad vuachere but I don't really care....to each their own.
Anyway, old people who are obviously in a difficult situation have always caught my eyes too. Back home I used to take care of an old lady (like regularly checking on her), and although she never asked for, when she would give me money to buy some medicines for her I had never told her those medicines were much more expensive than what she would give to me. (she had a very small pension and probably thought that amount must be enough...obviously had lost the value of money sense)
Here, when I see street "shows" and I like their performance I always give them something, but it's money, not beer or such.
Yes, it's good to help when you can.
Btw, check Prosenectute website, I usually make some small (unfortunately too small) donations for them and hope they can help somehow if needed.
http://www.pro-senectute.ch/

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Come to my imaginary land of wrestling monkeys. It's much more peaceful and there's plenty of room.

Maybe I've seen it all too often and I'm just cynical. Maybe I've seen it all too often and I'm depressingly realistic. But I've seen it all too often (by all nationalities).

Old man, young girl, mother with a baby, etc.; the characters are different, the story is the same, well rehearsed, well targetted to get the maximum sympathy and it involves handing over money. If you frequent an area over a period, you see the same people doing it over and over.

I don't dount that there are people genuinely in need that are forced to approach strangers on the street, but they are mostly destined to their fate because of those that prey on human morals just to finance their greed. People have just grown immune to it.
Exactly... There is a group working the tri bridge and area surrounding the marktkauf.. They walk up take shoes off rub dirt on feet then hide shoes under the skirt blanket etc.

Same goes for any evening in basel by the river.. After the 7th person asking for money I become quite sharp in my response.
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Old 04.06.2015, 16:14
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the one who sings pop songs is a great guy- lovely funny and talented guy. strongly recommend giving him a few francs or buying him a beer he's a tiptop guy, once in a while i sit and have a beer with him and he's great.
He has to be rewarded for his talent, at the least!

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the guy with the violin- the old white haired one or the younger dark haired one? either way they're around between the market and ouchy depending. love that violin.
The old white haired one. Haven't seen him for a long time.

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also the couple is a skinny junkie couple that take the train - he sings and plays guitar? they come and go but don't look too well.
No. More like classical musicians.... They are usually in the region of Place de la Palud.

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i'd say go back on the day you were there or on the market days.
He wasn't there today... in fact, none were, except someone sitting on the base of a tree opposite Globus (more than 4 years in Lausanne and never noticed the tree!). So, I'll follow your advice and try next Tuesday.

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Old 04.06.2015, 16:41
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I'll follow your advice and try next Tuesday.
Oddly enough, I refused to give money once, and he shouted after me, "See you next Tuesday!". Or something.
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Old 04.06.2015, 17:45
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Yes, it's sad vuachere but I don't really care....to each their own.
I'm sorry to say but you bring this on yourself by your almost militant defensiveness and die hard attempts at being offended. This thread was alright until you barged in and took offense that someone pointed out some beggars being Romanian. I'm also from Eastern Europe and I'm severely annoyed when my fellow countrymen try to play the victim card. This forceful political correctness and crying racism/discrimination all the time needs to stop. I see the EF as an open forum for discussing topics and just because you are offended it doesn't mean that other people shouldn't be able to express their opinions.

Suppressing discourse because it might be offensive is a slippery slope, there is no golden rule or benchmark and if you take offense about Romanians, why shouldn't someone else take offense about religious matters? Or cookery? Or grammar? Where do we stop?
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Old 04.06.2015, 17:56
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He has to be rewarded for his talent, at the least!



The old white haired one. Haven't seen him for a long time.



No. More like classical musicians.... They are usually in the region of Place de la Palud.



He wasn't there today... in fact, none were, except someone sitting on the base of a tree opposite Globus (more than 4 years in Lausanne and never noticed the tree!). So, I'll follow your advice and try next Tuesday.
just saw the white haired violinist the other day in ouchy. older guy, very talented. i almost always give the musicians money- esp him. he makes the violin cry (and me too! its sooo beautiful!) the couple i don't know lot's of people thru the palud and the guy by the tree in front of globus- always someone there...

on another note- i have a circuit of old ladies i stop by for so if you are interested in starting a meals on wheels or friends of oldies group- i have some to enlist. i have a soft spot for the old people on buses and the crazy ones (i mean it endearingly) too. they aren't scary and i do like to hear what they have to say.

the other day a woman was talking to herself and she had some very poetic things to say- "Do you know how to count to z? No? Thats very bad. You dont know how to read then do you?
For me everyday is sunday. Unless its a holiday and than its still a good day.
I am the media. The pastor and the electrician. I do like to get my hands dirty." it was probably the most interesting and intelligent thing i had heard in a long time. so yea, sometimes you may be surprised paying attention to the people you don't want to pay attention to and one day it could be you so it's always good to share a bit of what you have with someone who needs it.

the roma, whatever you may think or not think, may be organized and whatnot, but they aren't well off- at least the ones i see around here. they say either in blecherette or near the maladiere and it's not fancy living, by any means. so if i buy a few bananas and give them a couple, it can't hurt.
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Old 04.06.2015, 17:58
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I'm sorry to say but you bring this on yourself by your almost militant defensiveness and die hard attempts at being offended. This thread was alright until you barged in and took offense that someone pointed out some beggars being Romanian. I'm also from Eastern Europe and I'm severely annoyed when my fellow countrymen try to play the victim card. This forceful political correctness and crying racism/discrimination all the time needs to stop. I see the EF as an open forum for discussing topics and just because you are offended it doesn't mean that other people shouldn't be able to express their opinions.

Suppressing discourse because it might be offensive is a slippery slope, there is no golden rule or benchmark and if you take offense about Romanians, why shouldn't someone else take offense about religious matters? Or cookery? Or grammar? Where do we stop?
it's the e.f for god's sake everyone takes offense and everyone takes the piss. blessed are those who get over it, for they will giggle and get on with their life
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I'm sorry to say but you bring this on yourself by your almost militant defensiveness and die hard attempts at being offended. This thread was alright until you barged in and took offense that someone pointed out some beggars being Romanian. I'm also from Eastern Europe and I'm severely annoyed when my fellow countrymen try to play the victim card. This forceful political correctness and crying racism/discrimination all the time needs to stop. I see the EF as an open forum for discussing topics and just because you are offended it doesn't mean that other people shouldn't be able to express their opinions.

Suppressing discourse because it might be offensive is a slippery slope, there is no golden rule or benchmark and if you take offense about Romanians, why shouldn't someone else take offense about religious matters? Or cookery? Or grammar? Where do we stop?
I'm curious if you usually read all the posts in a thread, including the OP, otherwise I'm afraid you might lose or have lost some details, as another poster has done it. I'm asking this because I've seen silly posts who're not really matching my position. Suppressing opinions and discussions on EF? lol You must be kidding.
I obviously didn't, nor was my intention to do that. Take it this way: I write my "militant" opinions in regard to other "militant" opinions. I don't see anything wrong with this (unless you expect that a discussion will stick around only a handful of people or opinions), and if someone takes offence well....where should we stop?
You said it.

Best answer to your post was amaraya's post. You go girl!

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it's the e.f for god's sake everyone takes offense and everyone takes the piss. blessed are those who get over it, for they will giggle and get on with their life
P.S. And kudos for (at least partially) answering to OP, as that was the purpose of this thread after all.

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Old 04.06.2015, 19:08
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Oddly enough, I refused to give money once, and he shouted after me, "See you next Tuesday!". Or something.
.... and are you did you?
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Re: The man who was requesting money outside Globus

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The man was at Place de la Palud last Tuesday. Starting to get a nagging suspicion that he might be part of the many who is requesting money in the city.
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Old 10.08.2015, 09:11
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I must say I'm amazed at the sheer number of them in Lausanne at the moment... Literally at every street corner there's one.

And they start begging with dogs too now. I read in the newspaper that the cantonal vet is investigating, as they suspect the dogs are drugged to keep quiet all the time.
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You mean they are begging for money to keep their dogs in drugs???!!!!
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You mean they are begging for money to keep their dogs in drugs???!!!!
No, they drug the dogs so that they stay quiet and sleepy at their feet all day long while they beg
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No, they drug the dogs so that they stay quiet and sleepy at their feet all day long while they beg
yes, I noticed this when in Colmar last week. Down and outs often have dogs, now it seems professional beggars are getting dogs as a means of attracting sympathy and getting more money. Hopefully the authorities will do something about this, in Switzerland at least.

http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/vaud/story/17198602
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I observed him for perhaps 3 minutes in total (as he was in the line of vision from the traffic lights) and I was struck by how none (at least in that time window) even looked at him or offered him anything. He wanted to say something, but I was late for an appointment (one of those for which I could be charged if I don't turn up!) and had to hurry away.

Would any of the Lausannois English Forumers happen to notice him? Any idea who he is?
"interesting..."
Everyone had the same reaction (including you) but your excuse seems to worth more than other's excuses.


I guess the end result is the same for that guy, excuses or not, is ending up being ignored*.

*which seems to be normal in Lausanne, seeing the amount of con-artist fake victims, professional beggar from various origins and countries.

Anyway, instead of "having bad feeling" of your failures or inaction (failure=since you're the only one who seem to regret your act), I suggest you stop relying on others' opinions from a public forum, disconnect, and go talk/listen /give advice/give food/ give money/give help to that person and move on.

And feel good with yourself, even if there is a possibility that you have been "emotionally scammed".

But please don't go pestering others online because of your feelings failure and your inability to address the situation well.


Harsh?
Maybe.
Justified?
Definitely.
Forums are full of people aligning excuses happening in real life but they do nothing about it.
Waste of energy and fooling yourselves.
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The man was at Place de la Palud last Tuesday. Starting to get a nagging suspicion that he might be part of the many who is requesting money in the city.
WOW!
Bambi is discovering the world!!!

Still "feeling so sad" now?

Now it must be contagious because I fear I was "right again" about this situation (although I admit the only facts I had were stuff which were said in this forum, I have not even observed that guy myself in the street).

See in fact, it's because of people expressing the same behavior like you that these people are abusing, spreading, cheating and then that real people in need end up to be ignored.

So i'm rather sad to be once again right, annoying by your public expression of naivety and angry towards those scammers. Unfortunately it leaves not much place for real people in need (at least the unknown one in the streets).
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"interesting..."
Everyone had the same reaction (including you) but your excuse seems to worth more than other's excuses.
I guess the end result is the same for that guy, excuses or not, is ending up being ignored*.
If you were to refer to my original post, I wrote that I couldn't talk to him when he wanted to (because I had to be at a certain place at a specific time). Not that I ignored him (which I certainly didn't).


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Harsh?
Maybe.
Justified?
Definitely.
Forums are full of people aligning excuses happening in real life but they do nothing about it.
Waste of energy and fooling yourselves.
I am afraid you jumped into (unfounded) conclusions. If you were to refer to my previous posts, you will find that the purpose of my thread was to find out whether anyone happened to know of this man, who stood out from the average person asking for money (and it is probabilistically likely given the population of this forum). Was this someone who suddenly fell on hard times? If I have this information, I could give more targetted help.

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Could you highlight (when you have time) phrases which seemed indicative of naivety and anger? The thread was created with the intent of getting information. My previous post was an update.
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Could you highlight (when you have time) phrases which seemed indicative of naivety and anger? The thread was created with the intent of getting information. My previous post was an update.
I'm not naive and still, when I went back home this summer I just gave some money to a Gypsy/Roma woman who was ahem, requesting money. My only hope was she was going to buy some food for her children, as she promised...As a Romanian is not at all uncommon to doubt, but still give them money because....they seem they need it. Typical. Sigh.
Here in CH, the man who seemed to be a local (I didn't even doubt he was Swiss, considering the looks) proved to be a Hungarian man with whom I talked in German. He described a bad family situation back home....but do I believe him? Frankly, I don't know...I tend to do so because I know how little support social cases receive from the state in those parts of the world, or how poor some people really are. Neo-liberalism, austerity measures and agreements with IMF everyone? But I digress. It's not good to look too deep into the matter, we might get dizzy.
I do believe that local authorities are the ones who can ban this "activity" though. How comes I never saw anything like this in Zürich, except for a couple of isolated cases? (to give just an example)
I don't know why is tolerated in Lausanne or elsewhere, probably in order to prove something. I suspect not for the sake of the beggars.
Anyway, the rest of discussion and the bigotry exposed by some dudes here made me sick, I'm out of this subject.
Make a petition on banning the begging! Simple.

By the way, I am still amazed at E.U. not willing to address the Roma/Sinti (gypsy/tziganes) minority issues across Balkans/Central-Eastern Europe, but keep passing the poverty problem from one country to another.

http://www.thelocal.de/20150807/germ...asylum-seekers

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