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The man who was requesting money outside Globus

During a very busy day today darting around Lausanne city centre, I saw this fairly aged man outside Globus. Well dressed, with a duffle bag (or something resembling that), and a small basket which he was gesticulating towards people walking past him. No signs, placards, or anything remarkable.

I observed him for perhaps 3 minutes in total (as he was in the line of vision from the traffic lights) and I was struck by how none (at least in that time window) even looked at him or offered him anything. He wanted to say something, but I was late for an appointment (one of those for which I could be charged if I don't turn up!) and had to hurry away.

Would any of the Lausannois English Forumers happen to notice him? Any idea who he is?
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Old 02.06.2015, 23:55
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Re: The man who was requesting money outside Globus

Was it this dude?
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Old 03.06.2015, 00:44
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I wish! But think very frail, possibly mid/late 80s. Could barely move around....
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I was struck by how none (at least in that time window) even looked at him or offered him anything. He wanted to say something
Looks like he was one of those countless Romanian deaf mutes working in Switzerland. We all have met them and aren't falling for that trick any more.
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Looks like he was one of those countless Romanian deaf mutes working in Switzerland. We all have met them and aren't falling for that trick any more.
Oops. Sorry. I meant "he was saying something", but as I was hurrying, I couldn't stop and listen.
Picture someone like this.
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Old 03.06.2015, 09:01
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During a very busy day today darting around Lausanne city centre, I saw this fairly aged man outside Globus. Well dressed, with a duffle bag (or something resembling that), and a small basket which he was gesticulating towards people walking past him. No signs, placards, or anything remarkable.

I observed him for perhaps 3 minutes in total (as he was in the line of vision from the traffic lights) and I was struck by how none (at least in that time window) even looked at him or offered him anything. He wanted to say something, but I was late for an appointment (one of those for which I could be charged if I don't turn up!) and had to hurry away.

Would any of the Lausannois English Forumers happen to notice him? Any idea who he is?
Vuachere, I have an old man very discreetly asking for money in my area and he is Swiss. Relatively well dressed, usually close to Denner and I've spotted him in another place in the train station. There are people like that even in CH, though no-one would admit it.
You don't know their situations, try to either help or ignore them.

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Looks like he was one of those countless Romanian deaf mutes working in Switzerland. We all have met them and aren't falling for that trick any more.
Well, I haven't. And I'm living for quite a while here. What's your point? Do you think only Romanians are begging? Wow.
You don't know who or where from he is, and it looks more like a local case. I can recognise the style if it was from there, or from similar places anyway.
What a comment...

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Old 03.06.2015, 09:07
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Was it this dude?
No, he moved to Kentuckey!

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Well, I haven't. And I'm living for quite a while here. What's your point? Do you think only Romanians are begging? Wow.
A few years ago, I was approached by one of them at a mall. He showed me a glossy document that said that he was a Romanian deaf-mute. I gave him some money. Half an hour later the same happened, but it was a woman. Again a while later I saw them again, a whole group, chatting aloud, no sign language, ordinary speech.
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No, he moved to Kentuckey!

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Noooo .... I was always seeing him on the boardwalk - and then after my time there, every time I saw a film, that had a scene on Venice Beach, he was nearly always in the background. This included films made long before my time there, and long after I'd left.

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A few years ago, I was approached by one of them at a mall. He showed me a glossy document that said that he was a Romanian deaf-mute. I gave him some money. Half an hour later the same happened, but it was a woman. Again a while later I saw them again, a whole group, chatting aloud, no sign language, ordinary speech.
So if he said he was a Romanian deaf-mute that must have been true! Right.
Listen, this phenomenon is widely spread in the Balkans/Eastern Europe....if you think they all are Romanians...Not to mention that I've seen young locals, think flower power style, begging with a paper glass from McDonalds pretty much everywhere in the Western Europe. My point is let's not throw stones if we don't know for sure who it was, I don't see the point of your comment as OP explained pretty well it was a frail man.
I encountered two times begging here, as I usually use my car. Two times in the tram - one time a lady who was singing with a strongly slavic accent (and then asking discreetly for a remuneration), one an old poor man from Bosnia. I know that because someone called the police and they showed up two stops later because the guy was kind of aggressively begging, not just begging.
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Old 03.06.2015, 09:32
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Well, I haven't. And I'm living for quite a while here. What's your point? Do you think only Romanians are begging? Wow.
You don't know who or where from he is, and it looks more like a local case. I can recognise the style if it was from there, or from similar places anyway.
What a comment...
Best not drive a car round the streets of central London, then.
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Best not drive a car round the streets of central London, then.
And you inquired each and all of them, and they were all giving honest details.
Anyway, that should have been solved by London police loooong time ago. For some unknown reasons they're tolerated there. Heh. I actually admire the Swiss German police because they are not tolerating things like this.
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Well, I haven't. And I'm living for quite a while here. What's your point? Do you think only Romanians are begging?.
I know you're always hot on the defence of your fellow countrymen, but you have to ask yourself why is so often them that get the blame.

Yes, I'm sure that not all of the 'Eastern Europeans' who have become more and more noticeable since the EU expansions of recent years, and who appear to be responsible for increases in petty crime and begging, are Romanians, but a significant number of them are. Add that to the whole Roma/gypsy history (some of it very recent, like France sending hundreds of them back to Romania) and it's hardly surprising that they're the obvious target when it comes to finger-pointing, is it?

Even in London twenty years ago it was most often 'gypsies' who performed the being scams in the West End with their babies in pushchairs then took the tube homein the evening. In that case they were mostly Irish, but the perception of being gypsies remains.
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Old 03.06.2015, 10:10
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Noooo .... I was always seeing him on the boardwalk - and then after my time there, every time I saw a film, that had a seen on Venice Beach, he was nearly always in the background. This included films made long before my time there, and long after I'd left.
Yo, that is my friend Harry. He's not a beggar. He shares his music and sells his CDs. He's an artist.
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I know you're always hot on the defence of your fellow countrymen, but you have to ask yourself why is so often them that get the blame.

Yes, I'm sure that not all of the 'Eastern Europeans' who have become more and more noticeable since the EU expansions of recent years, and who appear to be responsible for increases in petty crime and begging, are Romanians, but a significant number of them are. Add that to the whole Roma/gypsy history (some of it very recent, like France sending hundreds of them back to Romania) and it's hardly surprising that they're the obvious target when it comes to finger-pointing, is it?

Even in London twenty years ago it was most often 'gypsies' who performed the being scams in the West End with their babies in pushchairs then took the tube homein the evening. In that case they were mostly Irish, but the perception of being gypsies remains.
I'm hot to defend my countrymen because the vast majority of them are quite hard-working, honest and humble people, trying their best to overcome decades of economical hardship and they really don't deserve such negativity and venom! That's all. I am known to defend other groups of people too, when needed. Sorry you haven't noticed that, but hey.
Anyway, you've said it yourself. The West is far less tolerant with the Roma minority in general and the closeness in terms doesn't help us at all. Besides, we do have a significant Roma minority, who is impoverished and probably less integrated in the society than in some other places. There are a few reasons for that, I won't go back to them one more time, I've already exposed my point of view a few times.

But yeah, the reaction to this case in the OP should also, at least partially, answer to your question. Hope you can see that.
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Yo, that is my friend Harry. He's not a beggar. He shares his music and sells his CDs. He's an artist.
Katy's cousin?

Yeah, yeah - know all that .... but he came immediately to mind, 'cos everyone was always asking, "who's the roller-skating, guitar-playing, rasta-looking dude, who's always on the boardwalk?"
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in fairness to greenmount, it is not just a Romanian problem but a problem with much of eastern Europe. regardless of the reasons - right, wrong or indifferent - many of these countries simply cannot compete in the EU, and all Schengen is doing is permitting those who would otherwise remain on the fringe of society in their home country to freely export their problems more broadly.

here in Luxembourg, they come from Hungary. public parking across the street from our office is free every weekend from 18:00 Friday through to Monday morning, and we watch the vans and campers from Hungary start filling up the lot late every Friday afternoon to unload the beggars and con artists.



when I am in the US, I almost always try to help those who are down on their luck because they are my fellow citizens. I have absolutely zero time or sympathy, however, for someone who travels to a foreign country for the sole purpose of abusing the good nature and sympathies of complete strangers.
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What's your point? Do you think only Romanians are begging? Wow.
You don't know who or where from he is, and it looks more like a local case. I can recognise the style if it was from there, or from similar places anyway.
What a comment...
I'm not making a point, I'm not assuming anything. I'm just stating what those plastic-laminated documents say. In the course of the past en years, I saw at least a dozen of them, and they all are practically the same. They say they are from Romania, and they are legally deaf-mute, and they are totally independent. But they work in groups and they can talk.

So, since they obviously lie concerning their disability, maybe they also lie concerning their origin. Does that help you?
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Greenmount - just because most beggars and street con-artists here (and in the U.K.) happen to be from Romania does not mean that most Romanians are beggars and street con-artists.

I think you're being a bit unfair to your fellow countrymen to keep banging on about it.

Almost all the IRA were Irish but when someone mentions that, no one starts jumping around saying that not all Irish were blowing people up.

We're adults here. We can disconnect the two.
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in fairness to greenmount, it is not just a Romanian problem but a problem with much of eastern Europe. regardless of the reasons - right, wrong or indifferent - many of these countries simply cannot compete in the EU, and all Schengen is doing is permitting those who would otherwise remain on the fringe of society in their home country to freely export their problems more broadly.

here in Luxembourg, they come from Hungary. public parking across the street from our office is free every weekend from 18:00 Friday through to Monday morning, and we watch the vans and campers from Hungary start filling up the lot late every Friday afternoon to unload the beggars and con artists.



when I am in the US, I almost always try to help those who are down on their luck because they are my fellow citizens. I have absolutely zero time or sympathy, however, for someone who travels to a foreign country for the sole purpose of abusing the good nature and sympathies of complete strangers.
Schengen also enabled lots of simple folks from Eastern Europe to come to West and take up humble jobs (that locals don't do anymore) and be severely exploited, sometimes even killed. There are so many stories that someone from the West doesn't hear about. But they exist and some people began documenting them.
Btw, thank you for your post and explanations, they really are spot on.
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And no, I have no sympathy either. I have, however, sympathy for the locals who are in difficulty.

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