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Old 05.06.2015, 21:35
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Swiss honesty

With a few things on my mind and trying to read some notes on the bus I put my shiney new phone iPhone 6 on the seat, and as it was warm took my jacket of and put that on the seat too. Didn't notice my stop coming up so quickly stuffed my notes in my bag, picked up my jacket and made for the exit. I got to work went for my phone and yep... it was still on the 8 bus from Baar to Rotkreuz

So, I went back to the banhof and the SBB office, they said speak to a driver and they can radio the bus.... great thinks me. Sadly the radio on my bus was down, so another driver checked the schedule and said he will be in Cham at the same time as the bus I was on was returning from Rotkreuz, hop on I'll take you there.

He did, he walked me to the bus spoke to the driver who 70 mins after I had left it handed me back my phone, telling me a young lad had handed it in...phew.

Sadly, he had no contact details for me to thank the lad or give him a reward for his honesty, so this post will have to do.... good on ya wee man, thank you!
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Re: Swiss honesty

When you've got a passcode on it and use "Find my iPhone", it's useless and basically 100g of e-waste without it anyway.

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH13695?viewlocale=en_US

There's a reason for declining iPhone thefts: Apple has made it extremely unattractive to steal an iPhone or profit from "finding" one.
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Re: Swiss honesty

That's great that you got it back! In most countries you would have never seen it again.
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When you've got a passcode on it and use "Find my iPhone", it's useless and basically 100g of e-waste without it anyway.

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH13695?viewlocale=en_US

There's a reason for declining iPhone thefts: Apple has made it extremely unattractive to steal an iPhone or profit from "finding" one.
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That's great that you got it back! In most countries you would have never seen it again.
Ain't that the truth, I was mighty relieved and grateful. Even still had the emergency 20 chuff note in the CHF65 case.
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Old 05.06.2015, 22:46
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Re: Swiss honesty

I also owe thanks to the good people traveling on my line - they are both immigrants and Swiss. We dropped one of our phones twice in the bus, and twice we got it back. Thank you, honest folks!
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Old 05.06.2015, 22:55
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When you've got a passcode on it and use "Find my iPhone", it's useless and basically 100g of e-waste without it anyway.

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH13695?viewlocale=en_US

There's a reason for declining iPhone thefts: Apple has made it extremely unattractive to steal an iPhone or profit from "finding" one.
Yes but people will pick it up anyway and then find out it's useless and bin it.
I do not use an i-phone and have zilch idea about the security systems on it.

This guy handed it in without trying to be a smart arse, just an honest guy,

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Re: Swiss honesty

I didn't say it wasn't nice of the guy who handed it to the driver - I did not want to diminish or question his character.
But that same person would probably also have handed back a stack of 200 CHF notes without much thought.

But prior to iOS7, one could reset an iPhone and re-sell it for a very good price.
People who would do something along this line know it's simply not possible anymore and just let the thing sit where it is, waiting for an honest finder ;-)
Well, at least that's the hope.

If you disable "Control Center in Lock Screen", one cannot enable Airplane Mode without the passcode or the finger-print, so the phone can be tracked until it's smashed or the battery runs out - a liability for a dishonest person.
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I didn't say it wasn't nice of the guy who handed it to the driver - I did not want to diminish or question his character.
But that same person would probably also have handed back a stack of 200 CHF notes without much thought.

But prior to iOS7, one could reset an iPhone and re-sell it for a very good price.
People who would do something along this line know it's simply not possible anymore and just let the thing sit where it is, waiting for an honest finder ;-)
Well, at least that's the hope.

If you disable "Control Center in Lock Screen", one cannot enable Airplane Mode without the passcode or the finger-print, so the phone can be tracked until it's smashed or the battery runs out - a liability for a dishonest person.
Just a thought, I dont have an iphone to try it out, but what about holding power + home to turn it off, or ejecting the sim card?
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Old 06.06.2015, 01:30
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When you've got a passcode .."Find my iPhone", it's useless and basically 100g of e-waste without it anyway"
Not to its original owner.

I don't know if its swiss honesty, or if any nationality can join in.

I gave a young lad his iphone back after he left it on the seat on a train. It didn't cross my mind to be opportunistic, although he was surprised to be given it back.
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Re: Swiss honesty

Nice! Thanks for posting!

In Switzerland, I would expect anyone to hand forgotten items to the driver.
I think far more items end up in the lost & found and are never picked up from there than items getting stolen.

I remember one incident where an item was forgotten on the train and not handed in to lost and found. Since it was not handed in, the insurance said it was stolen and offered!!! reimbursement. Later on, the item was found and returned. The honest owner turned to the insurance to inform them about the item reappearing only to face an annoyed insurance employee who did not want to take back the money :-D Switzerland...
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Old 09.06.2015, 15:16
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Nice! Thanks for posting!

In Switzerland, I would expect anyone to hand forgotten items to the driver.
I think far more items end up in the lost & found and are never picked up from there than items getting stolen.

I remember one incident where an item was forgotten on the train and not handed in to lost and found. Since it was not handed in, the insurance said it was stolen and offered!!! reimbursement. Later on, the item was found and returned. The honest owner turned to the insurance to inform them about the item reappearing only to face an annoyed insurance employee who did not want to take back the money :-D Switzerland...
Just imagine if by this point you had already taken the money and bought a new phone? How then would you raise the money to reimburse the insurance. Second hand phones never have the value of new ones. The incident would leave you out of pocket and you'd be kicking yourself for having been honest. Maybe in view of keeping cutomers happy, as long as the overall loss is small, agents are actually instructed to not cause more trouble than needed?
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Re: Swiss honesty

I left two bottles of duty free booze on the train on way back from airport, neither where handed in, so I guess it depends on items
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Old 09.06.2015, 15:52
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I left two bottles of duty free booze on the train on way back to airport, neither where handed in, so I guess it depends on items
I've left mine on the train too before!

I'm not sure it depends on the item - I think it depends on who finds them first.
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I've left mine on the train too before!

I'm not sure it depends on the item - I think it depends on who finds them first.
I love the airport train because you sometimes get free alcohol
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I left two bottles of duty free booze on the train on way back from airport, neither where handed in, so I guess it depends on items
I lost two bottles of South African red at Zurich airport and never saw them again.

They were confiscated as I was going through security.

*sighs* I still feel robbed.
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Are you one of those people who holds me up at security in spite of the fact that every single airline passenger is informed of the liquid-in-hand-baggage rules before travelling ?
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Just imagine if by this point you had already taken the money and bought a new phone? How then would you raise the money to reimburse the insurance. Second hand phones never have the value of new ones. The incident would leave you out of pocket and you'd be kicking yourself for having been honest. Maybe in view of keeping cutomers happy, as long as the overall loss is small, agents are actually instructed to not cause more trouble than needed?
I don't think they're that customer-centric, TBH.
Usually, banks, insurances, authorities don't really care if you've already spent the money you owe them.

It's probably just a really big hassle (for the agent) undoing the whole "pay out damage"-process.
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Re: Swiss honesty

This is great stuff, and one of the great bonuses of living in Switzerland to know you have more chance of getting your property back.

I lost a watch in the street once and remarkably got it back six months later.
Another friend took all her jewellery off on a bus to apply hand cream she only realised hours later she left it all on the seat, she went back to the bus stop waited for the bus to return sure enough she got the whole lot back. Amazing!
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Re: Swiss honesty

I was shopping with my gf and our kids packing all our stuff in my car and putting the kids in. Went to the next shop wanted to buy something my purse was not in my handbag it had a lot of money in drove back to the last shop and asked if anyone had seen my purse and they gave it me back all the money still there it would never happen in the UK
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I was shopping with my gf and our kids packing all our stuff in my car and putting the kids in. Went to the next shop wanted to buy something my purse was not in my handbag it had a lot of money in drove back to the last shop and asked if anyone had seen my purse and they gave it me back all the money still there it would never happen in the UK
I once found a wallet in a shopping centre. There was an address in it. I walked all the way to the owner's house and gave them their wallet (which they thought they would never see again).
Oh, and that was in the U.K.

Switzerland doesn't have the monopoly on honesty.
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